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Who will be the next new Grand Tour champion and when?
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 30-05-2016 18:11
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I don't think switching teams won't be the anwser for some of these guys given, the only teams that have the abilitiy to give the support usually already have a rider they see as leader. also think if Giant or Lotto goes full one leader support on either GC-ready Dumoulin or Kruijswijk they will be able to support him, especially Lotto
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:12
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
I don't think switching teams won't be the anwser for some of these guys given, the only teams that have the abilitiy to give the support usually already have a rider they see as leader. also think if Giant or Lotto goes full one leader support on either GC-ready Dumoulin or Kruijswijk they will be able to support him, especially Lotto
I don't think even Lotto were aware just how good Kruijswijk's form was going into the Giro! In almost every stage in the last week, he had exactly zero riders from his team to support him in the mountains. Not the ideal situation that. Either change teams, or convince Lotto to recruit better domestiques. Same with Dumoulin. Otherwise, it's not likely to happen.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:14
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Normally Roglic would've been able to help a little longer, but he crashed a few times earlier on. For the rest Battaglin climbed until a group of 20 was left. At the same time Valverde usually only had Amador, and Nibali also had only 1 left.
Only mistake they made was not sending someone ahead in the MO stages just for the situation we saw on stage 19.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:15
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Also, with two teams in Tinkoff and IAM folding, the competition among the best riders to be the GT leader will get even tougher next year. Although I do get a sneaking suspicion that UCI might just take the number up to 17 again. Contador will be looking for a new team. Nibali might be on the move too, despite his heroics. Will make it even harder for the likes of Kruijwijk and Dumoulin to get a new team.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:19
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Selwink wrote:
Normally Roglic would've been able to help a little longer, but he crashed a few times earlier on. For the rest Battaglin climbed until a group of 20 was left. At the same time Valverde usually only had Amador, and Nibali also had only 1 left.
Only mistake they made was not sending someone ahead in the MO stages just for the situation we saw on stage 19.
That 1 extra man can get the group down from 20 to 7-8, which is the hardest part I guess. Would've meant breaking the likes of Uran and Jungels, which Kruijswijk had to do on his own. He was doing it too. But then, stage 19 and all, like you said.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:22
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
I don't think switching teams won't be the anwser for some of these guys given, the only teams that have the abilitiy to give the support usually already have a rider they see as leader. also think if Giant or Lotto goes full one leader support on either GC-ready Dumoulin or Kruijswijk they will be able to support him, especially Lotto
I don't think even Lotto were aware just how good Kruijswijk's form was going into the Giro! In almost every stage in the last week, he had exactly zero riders from his team to support him in the mountains. Not the ideal situation that. Either change teams, or convince Lotto to recruit better domestiques. Same with Dumoulin. Otherwise, it's not likely to happen.
who was before the giro started 
but they massively underrated how good Kruijswijk. had they known, they wouldn't have sent Castelijns, Keizer and Hofland but Lindeman, Martens, maybe Gesink or Kelderman as support/warm up for the Tour?
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:25
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
I don't think switching teams won't be the anwser for some of these guys given, the only teams that have the abilitiy to give the support usually already have a rider they see as leader. also think if Giant or Lotto goes full one leader support on either GC-ready Dumoulin or Kruijswijk they will be able to support him, especially Lotto
I don't think even Lotto were aware just how good Kruijswijk's form was going into the Giro! In almost every stage in the last week, he had exactly zero riders from his team to support him in the mountains. Not the ideal situation that. Either change teams, or convince Lotto to recruit better domestiques. Same with Dumoulin. Otherwise, it's not likely to happen.
who was before the giro started
but they massively underrated how good Kruijswijk. had they known, they wouldn't have sent Castelijns, Keizer and Hofland but Lindeman, Martens, maybe Gesink or Kelderman as support/warm up for the Tour?
Sounds fair. But your own team management should know though
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 30-05-2016 19:33
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With Nibali, Landa and Valverde in the race it was impossible to predict that Kruijswijk would be in pink and with a chance to actually win the whole race. You don't exactly need a great team to ride for top 5 or top 10 which is what they thought Kruijswijk would do.
Like Luigi said, LottoNL could line-up a good climbing team to support Kruijswijk if he's actually going to try to win a GT. It may not be as strong as the team was in the Belkin/Rabobank days, but it would still be enough to offer him 2-3 good mountain domestiques, one of which could himself ride for a top 5 in a Grand Tour.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 01-06-2016 09:33
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Let's hope SK gets another chance for the GT win. He deserves it.
Putting a couple more names into the hat... Louis Meintjes and Warren Barguil, do they have it?
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 01-06-2016 10:32
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To predict who will be the next grand tour champion is like predicting the weather..
Many great talents have fallen.. All the ones we thought were able to win, lost it all.
Im referring to Popovych, Brajkovic, Taramae, Porte, Schleck, Uran Uran etc.. The list is enormous.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 01-06-2016 10:40
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
To predict who will be the next grand tour champion is like predicting the weather..
Many great talents have fallen.. All the ones we thought were able to win, lost it all.
Im referring to Popovych, Brajkovic, Taramae, Porte, Schleck, Uran Uran etc.. The list is enormous.
And yet the weather department of my city predicted that there'd be rains today and it's been raining since morning
The idea is to make the best educated guess. It's like your footer says, "If you never hazard a guess, you'll never know how wrong you are" 
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 02-06-2016 07:52
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
To predict who will be the next grand tour champion is like predicting the weather..
Many great talents have fallen.. All the ones we thought were able to win, lost it all.
Im referring to Popovych, Brajkovic, Taramae, Porte, Schleck, Uran Uran etc.. The list is enormous.
And yet the weather department of my city predicted that there'd be rains today and it's been raining since morning
The idea is to make the best educated guess. It's like your footer says, "If you never hazard a guess, you'll never know how wrong you are"
Haha word. Still bit more exciting than: "PCM 14 Career Story: Movistar - Climbing Kings"...
Anyhow maybe you can predict the weather today, tomorrow and saturday but what about 1 month ahead?
Of course we discuss future brights. People does. But i'm a little bit tired of everytime one rider performs good at one grand tour we all announce him as "the next king of grand tours"..
Come on guys
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 02-06-2016 08:13
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
To predict who will be the next grand tour champion is like predicting the weather..
Many great talents have fallen.. All the ones we thought were able to win, lost it all.
Im referring to Popovych, Brajkovic, Taramae, Porte, Schleck, Uran Uran etc.. The list is enormous.
And yet the weather department of my city predicted that there'd be rains today and it's been raining since morning
The idea is to make the best educated guess. It's like your footer says, "If you never hazard a guess, you'll never know how wrong you are"
Haha word. Still bit more exciting than: "PCM 14 Career Story: Movistar - Climbing Kings"...
Anyhow maybe you can predict the weather today, tomorrow and saturday but what about 1 month ahead?
Of course we discuss future brights. People does. But i'm a little bit tired of everytime one rider performs good at one grand tour we all announce him as "the next king of grand tours"..
Come on guys
Hmmm. So this is what a forum argument feels like
I wasn't really attacking your footer btw, but anyway we're past explaining our stance.
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ok, to put it into perspective. I'm not commenting on whether they're the greatest in this period or not. I'm saying those 5 are considered as one of the favourites in whichever GC they ride in at present.
I'd already said the above on page 1 itself. So, no, I'm not calling Nairo or Aru "the next king of grand tours". Not yet, atleast...
I wanted to get public sentiment on whom they thought were the riders who could win a Grand Tour in the near future. Just like we are discussing who'll win the Euros in another thread. I hope this explains my stance for good.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 08:43
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Froome being 31 and Contador 33, Nibali is 30 as well, I think these next few years will belong to Nairo.
Aru and Pinot while great will never be THAT good (Aru might end up with a similar palmarés to Nibali, maybe even better), but not Contador/Froome levels. I refuse to believe that.
Then you have jokers such as Crashbrijs and Chaves - I can't see any of those winning the Tour, honestly. Hoping to be wrong about Chaves.
Then you have the likes of Dumoulin and Jungels who potentially could challenge with a relatively ITT-heavy route - it needs to have doulet the amount of time trailing this year's route have.
Valverde is 36 and got his podium, this is 100% Nairo's team in the Tour, at least. Then you have jokers such as Landa, maybe even Porte, but Tour-winning material? Most likely no. I don't believe in TJ as a top-contender, he has to show way more. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 02-06-2016 12:07
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To be fair, that is a little harsh on Kruijswijk. The crash, the consequent injuries and 4th place were not a fair return for his outing in the Giro. Although, I do agree that the likes of him, Chaves and Landa are more of Giro/Vuelta contenders than the TDF. Their current skill-set is not in tune with the varied demands of the Tour.
Porte's time to challenge is probably gone, mostly pacing Froome. His switch to BMC perhaps came 2 years too late.
Interestingly, the longer flat (usually) TTs of the Tour should be more towards TJ and Dumoulin's liking, but they are way behind in terms of climbing wrt the big guns (you know, the big 5 ). So for now, the TDF looks destined to stay put with one of the absolute favourites.
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 02-06-2016 13:50
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
To predict who will be the next grand tour champion is like predicting the weather..
Many great talents have fallen.. All the ones we thought were able to win, lost it all.
Im referring to Popovych, Brajkovic, Taramae, Porte, Schleck, Uran Uran etc.. The list is enormous.
And yet the weather department of my city predicted that there'd be rains today and it's been raining since morning
The idea is to make the best educated guess. It's like your footer says, "If you never hazard a guess, you'll never know how wrong you are"
Haha word. Still bit more exciting than: "PCM 14 Career Story: Movistar - Climbing Kings"...
Anyhow maybe you can predict the weather today, tomorrow and saturday but what about 1 month ahead?
Of course we discuss future brights. People does. But i'm a little bit tired of everytime one rider performs good at one grand tour we all announce him as "the next king of grand tours"..
Come on guys
Hmmm. So this is what a forum argument feels like
I wasn't really attacking your footer btw, but anyway we're past explaining our stance.
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Ok, to put it into perspective. I'm not commenting on whether they're the greatest in this period or not. I'm saying those 5 are considered as one of the favourites in whichever GC they ride in at present.
I'd already said the above on page 1 itself. So, no, I'm not calling Nairo or Aru "the next king of grand tours". Not yet, atleast...
I wanted to get public sentiment on whom they thought were the riders who could win a Grand Tour in the near future. Just like we are discussing who'll win the Euros in another thread. I hope this explains my stance for good.
True that 
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Shonak |
Posted on 02-06-2016 14:16
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Maybe Nairo will never win le Tour, top riders come down quicker than they used to, imo. Whilst it looks likely Quintana is on top of Aru and Pinot for the next few years climbing-wise, I really don't think he'll win that many GTs in the long haul. Maybe one Tour me thinks. His conservative nature & natural 3rd week focus keep him back imo.
Who will be the next serial culprit when it comes to dominating the Tour ala Armstrong? I hope no one ever again, I prefer different victors and so a solid mix of top & sub-top riders is my preference.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 17:08
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All board the hypetrain.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 02-06-2016 17:46
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Shonak wrote:
Maybe Nairo will never win le Tour, top riders come down quicker than they used to, imo. Whilst it looks likely Quintana is on top of Aru and Pinot for the next few years climbing-wise, I really don't think he'll win that many GTs in the long haul. Maybe one Tour me thinks. His conservative nature & natural 3rd week focus keep him back imo.
Who will be the next serial culprit when it comes to dominating the Tour ala Armstrong? I hope no one ever again, I prefer different victors and so a solid mix of top & sub-top riders is my preference.
Firstly, I don't like you any more coz you say bad things about Nairo
Secondly, I hope the cycling circuit turns into something like the Men's tennis circuit in terms of uncertainty and not the women's tennis circuit in terms of inconsistency. 3-4 really big favourites and another 3-4 capable of pulling off a dramatic win in their favoured conditions. Mouth-watering prospect!!
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| Shonak |
Posted on 02-06-2016 19:30
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Indeed that would be a great spectacle over a decade then. With the crazy potential some guys have it's really possible. Then we won't talk about Big Four anymore but the Glorious Dozen soon Especially if France gets a Tour winner one of these days.
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