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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 01-06-2016 14:56
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He's a worse Quintana as much as Jarlinson Pantano is a worse Boonen. Apples and oranges. |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:11
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Ulissi
73(+1) FLA
76(+2) MON
74(+1) TTR
70(+2) SPR
77(+1) FTR
76(+3) REC
Imho he has proven he's underrated.
He did an amazing Giro, not only for his wins (those wins deserves +1 FLA and +1 FTR for me) but for the last week, specially stage 19.
Nizzolo
79(+1) SPR
77(-1) ACC
78(+1) REC
Moser
76(+1) HIL
76(+1) PRL
75(+1) FTR
73(+2) REC
Scarponi
78(+3) MO
73(+1) TTR
75(+1) STA
77(+1) REC
Pozzovivo
77(-1) MO
76(-1) REC
72(-2) TTR
Brambilla
80(+5) DHI (He's fucking brilliant, how the fuck he has 75 omg)
Formolo
74(-1) MO
68(-1) REC
Edited by marcoplv95 on 01-06-2016 22:21
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:16
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I_Mayo wrote:
He's a worse Quintana as much as Jarlinson Pantano is a worse Boonen. Apples and oranges.
Ehm, you are making no sense whatsoever.
Majka and Quintana have the same characteristics. Pantano and Boonen, to use your example, really don't. You can agree with that statement, that they are the same types, or not, but please don't bring that bullshit of an argument. Really. 
Edited by Riis123 on 01-06-2016 22:17
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:16
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I_Mayo wrote:
He's a worse Quintana as much as Jarlinson Pantano is a worse Boonen. Apples and oranges.
Yeah because comparing a Climber who can not really accelerate well to a climber who can not really accelerate well, is the same as comparing a climber to a sprinter/cobbler.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:23
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Ulissi
73(+1) FLA
76(+2) MON
74(+1) TTR
70(+2) SPR
77(+1) FTR
76(+3) REC
Imho he has proven he's underrated.
He did an amazing Giro, not only for his wins (those wins deserves +1 FLA and +1 FTR for me) but for the last week, specially stage 19.
Nizzolo
79(+1) SPR
77(-1) ACC
78(+1) REC
Moser
76(+1) HIL
76(+1) PRL
75(+1) FTR
73(+2) REC
Scarponi
78(+3) MO
73(+1) TTR
75(+1) STA
77(+1) REC
marcoplv95 wrote:
1.  Diego Ulissi
2. Moreno Moser
3. Vincenzo Nibali
4. Fabio Aru
5. Michele Scarponi
6. Elia Viviani
Well, just upgrading your favourite riders could be due to some bias, couldn't it? Ulissi really doesn't need an upgrade, as his high FL lets him hang on longer than his current MO stat would suggest(he came 3rd in my Giro, beating Porte, TVG, Landa and Contador)
Nizzolo's upgrades are fine IMO.
Moser has proven that he can't even win a stage, where he's in a prime position to do so. he sould've won against Brambilla with your stats. higher FL, same HI. But he coudln't and that after Brambilla worked his ass off during earlier stages already(first for Kittel, then for himself and Jungels), whilst Moser did....what?
Scarponi definately needs an upgrade, but 78 is too much. up him by 1 or 2 to 76/77 is enough.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:27
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I just express my opinion, i think there are many riders who needs upgrade, but since i'm an italian supporter and i mostly see their performance, then i give opinions about them.
And if Fuglsang has 78, Scarponi deserves 78 aswell
The fact Ulissi and others are my favourite riders has nothing to do with the upgrades i think they deserve.
Ulissi imo was really impressive and Moser has improved, even if he didn't win a stage
Edited by marcoplv95 on 01-06-2016 22:32
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:34
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Well, I also give my opinion about Tony f.e., but I always know that there can be some bias into it. There's nothing wrong with giving an opinion.
That's why I stated my opinion, about your opinion.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:39
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Yeah but i think the stats i've given to Ulissi are really deserved. For expample (one of many) in stage 19 he was in brekaway, got caught and yet Chaves couldn't detache him.
And i didn't say Ulissi deserve same MO rating as Chaves but 79 against 76 is fair i think  |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 01-06-2016 22:57
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I think Scarponi with 77 is enough. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 23:15
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Yeah but i think the stats i've given to Ulissi are really deserved.
And I think the stats you gave him are overrating him, because he already does very well in PCM with the current stats.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 23:30
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His stats compared to other cyclists are underrated.
Every savegame has random results, you just pissed me off.
I think that's what he deserves if you don't think so it's okay but don't tell me it's because he's my favourite. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 23:32
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marcoplv95 wrote:
His stats compared to other cyclists are underrated.
Every savegame has random results, you just pissed me off.
I think that's what he deserves if you don't think so it's okay but don't tell me it's because he's my favourite.
I'm gonna make this quick.
He came top 5 in 3 GTs in the first 3 years.
You got pissed of so easily? Have fun in the internet, then...
I think you overrate him, because he's your favourite.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 01-06-2016 23:41
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Paul23 wrote:
I'm gonna make this quick.
He came top 5 in 3 GTs in the first 3 years.
You got pissed of so easily? Have fun in the internet, then...
I think you overrate him, because he's your favourite.
And no one cares if you think that he's my favourite and i overrate him.
This post is just for discussing about cyclist stats, so your point is to tell your opinion about cyclists, and comment others, but not to shit other users.
And by the way, Ulissi is not my favourite rider, but Sagan is.
As you can see i voted all italians for first and then others. Just for the topic, so you can't even say "he's my favourite" 
Now just stop that, you think he doesn't deserve that upgrade? Well, just don't bore me. |
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| Omloop |
Posted on 01-06-2016 23:52
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
I'm gonna make this quick.
He came top 5 in 3 GTs in the first 3 years.
You got pissed of so easily? Have fun in the internet, then...
I think you overrate him, because he's your favourite.
And by the way, Ulissi is not my favourite rider, but Sagan is.
As you can see i voted all italians for first and then others. Just for the topic, so you can't even say "he's my favourite"
And how would he know that you meant that? Considering Ulissi he ain't overrated. He got the stats to do well in breakaways on mountain stages and perform well in hilly stages when the better puncheurs ain't starting, which is realistic considering him performing well in smaller Italian classics, but not good enough to be one of the best in the Ardennes etc. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 00:18
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Ulissi deserve an update. 76 MON, 79 Hill, 70 SPR. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 00:20
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marcoplv95 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
I'm gonna make this quick.
He came top 5 in 3 GTs in the first 3 years.
You got pissed of so easily? Have fun in the internet, then...
I think you overrate him, because he's your favourite.
And no one cares if you think that he's my favourite and i overrate him.
This post is just for discussing about cyclist stats, so your point is to tell your opinion about cyclists, and comment others, but not to shit other users.
And by the way, Ulissi is not my favourite rider, but Sagan is.
As you can see i voted all italians for first and then others. Just for the topic, so you can't even say "he's my favourite"
Now just stop that, you think he doesn't deserve that upgrade? Well, just don't bore me.
1) You forgot to downvote my last post.
2) Well just don't bore me with your fanboyism.
3) You know, I only put Tony Martin into my list, because I wanted it to Feature a german on Nr. 1. He surely isn't my favourite.
4) I know what this thread is for. That's why I stated my opinion on your opinion.
5) Did I Touch a nerve with ASKING, if it COULD be that you overrate him A LITTLE?
6) You're a Fanboy.
7) Ulissi is you fav Rider
8) You overrate him more than I overrate Tony.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 01:14
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And how would he know that you meant that? Considering Ulissi he ain't overrated. He got the stats to do well in breakaways on mountain stages and perform well in hilly stages when the better puncheurs ain't starting, which is realistic considering him performing well in smaller Italian classics, but not good enough to be one of the best in the Ardennes etc.
He couldn't know that, and the point is that he shouldn't even care about who are my favourite riders
I'm a cycling fan before than an italian supporter (Ulissi, Nibali or whatever), so i just think that he's underrated compared to others cyclist stats, that's all.
I understand you can disappoint me, but i was trying to explain him that he has just to comment about stats, not users  |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 01:17
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1) You forgot to downvote my last post.
2) Well just don't bore me with your fanboyism.
3) You know, I only put Tony Martin into my list, because I wanted it to Feature a german on Nr. 1. He surely isn't my favourite.
4) I know what this thread is for. That's why I stated my opinion on your opinion.
5) Did I Touch a nerve with ASKING, if it COULD be that you overrate him A LITTLE?
6) You're a Fanboy.
7) Ulissi is you fav Rider
8) You overrate him more than I overrate Tony.
1) Just done (you started downvoting, i do that aswell
2) Fanboyism? No one pays me to support any cyclist :'
3) Ok, then? I don't care.
4) Your opinion wasn't about Ulissi, but about me, saying "he's your favourite rider, that's why".
5) It looks like you feel hurted, huh?
6) Am i? Didn't know that, thanks for info
7) Is him? Didn't know that, thanks for info
9) Do i? Didn't know that, thanks for info |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 02-06-2016 01:42
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First of all, I'm nowhere near hurt. Why should I be? I wasn't the one who was pissed of. I'm enjoying this.
Next, I only downvote the posts of you, on which I also stated my opinion. You on the others side, also downvote posts of me, just because I disliker your opinion. How old are you 12? Are you a 2nd acc of Mars? I want someone to check that.
My opinion was Well about Ulissi. Reread my post then. If you can't handle getting asked(again, I asked) if your nationality or your bias to a Rider could maybe affect your opinion a little.(because no-one with a clear mind would Upgrade Ulissi like that, or Moser, or Scarponi)
F.e. I also think that my View of Tony is the right one, but I accept, that my bias towards him could affect my opinion.
I only wrote stuff In Capslock, so that you can understand.
Have a good night, Mars.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 02-06-2016 08:33
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Hell I've never seen so many posts in a row with negative votes on here before, so let's stop with the handbag fighting guys, thanks.
Some of the riders nentioned before:
Anyways Ulissi is a hilly stage rider that this year has shown he can also do Ardennes quite well and also ride mtns as well. Saying all that though he's still a 75 mtn rider with a high hill stat and acc to boost him as well and is clearly on great form, so effectively he's an overpowered 75 mtn. Even with 74 mtn in the past, I've played Giros where he was capable of finishing around the top 10 because of his high BU stats so 75 imo looks good.
Scarponi who was in great form will be 77 mtn (he'd been dropped to 75 before) Fuglsang dropped one and Kangert are both 77 as well..
No way is Nizzolo a 79 sprinter, he'll stay at 78.
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