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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-05-2016 17:11
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That's the guy that kicked Yserbyt's arse at the world two years ago, right? Looked a bit Saganish to me, but I would wait for road results before making him too strong.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Maddox |
Posted on 09-05-2016 18:19
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Actually, it turns out that a rider hit Andreassen's wheel in the beginning - so a fifth place as a U23-rider is quite impressive after all. |
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| j0nne |
Posted on 09-05-2016 19:18
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Interesting..  I obviously agree that danish talents somehow seem to have trouble reaching the highest levels of cycling. Only the guys who later admitted to have been using, have really done big things. Maybe that's the problem...  It's obviously a hugh task competing with the likes of Contador and Valverde if you're clean.. #enoughsaid
I'd like to add Andreasen to my db, so it would be lovely if some of you statmakers would give a honest opinion on his stats as of now.
First of all my problem is that I do not know in what range talents like him is normally rated in PCM. Secondly I'm afraid to overrate him, as I'm danish myself.
So if any of you statmakers would care to rate him from FLA - REC, it would be a hugh help to me. |
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 09-05-2016 19:30
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For Simon Andreassen probably
63Flat
60Mountain
62Hills
72Downhill
60Cobbles
60TT
61PRL
63Sp
68ACC
61End
62Res
60Rec
70Fighter
Of Course he needs to show something on the road but for now i would put him at this level |
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| j0nne |
Posted on 09-05-2016 19:41
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Yea, I was thinking high DH and FTR stats as well, but 60 MO?? Ain't that a little low considering experts are counting on him being able to do well in grand tours like Fuglsang and Rasmussen? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-05-2016 19:45
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Give him a high potential, but in general I agree with judging riders on what they do, not on what they might do.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 09-05-2016 19:53
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Ollfardh wrote:
Give him a high potential, but in general I agree with judging riders on what they do, not on what they might do.
Seems like a fair way of judging him.
I'm not too familiar with MB, but my logic tells me that those kind of riders would be better in a harder terrain than on the flatter parts.
Am I wrong? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-05-2016 21:29
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Just curious: where do we stand on Pinot and especially his TT abilities, also his Downhill skills? |
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Posted on 23-11-2024 00:49
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 09-05-2016 22:25
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Ian Butler wrote:
Just curious: where do we stand on Pinot and especially his TT abilities, also his Downhill skills?
He's 76 in both TT and Pro which makes him as good as any other principal GT guy. His DH though is still a pending issue, but we will get it sorted I think once and for all.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-05-2016 22:06
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I would give +1 to Beñat Intxausti in Hills and +1 in Hills to Mauro Finetto
And Mikel Nieve stats, currently he is 77 mountains and 78 in hills I woulg change 78 in mountain and 77 in hills |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 11-05-2016 22:19
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AiZaK wrote:
I would give +1 to Beñat Intxausti in Hills and +1 in Hills to Mauro Finetto
And Mikel Nieve stats, currently he is 77 mountains and 78 in hills I woulg change 78 in mountain and 77 in hills
I would say the discrepancy between his hills and mountains should be 3, Nieve is the type of grinder who lacks explosiveness, especially now in his 'older' days. The harder, the better, but always has and will be much better in the mountains. |
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 12-05-2016 09:07
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Tom Dumoulin stats?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-05-2016 10:40
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@Aizak Thanks and noted about Intxausti but Nieve is certainly better as he already is, his mtn stat hasn't been that impressive so far this season to be higher but his higher hill stat is due to his 6th at Lombardia at the end of 2015 and as this is not that long ago it's still valid.
@Ton1 No change for him yet but on the one hand if he flops in the mtns then he will be looking at a 1 point reduction, if he does more or less ok then he'll stay at 78 but if he were to win.......... well that would be an increase. So still to early to make any changes for him.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 12-05-2016 10:48
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I'd have to agree that Nieve deserves at least the same rating in MON as in HIL. You can't really base his HIL stat solely of of Il lombardia, as that's the best suited classic for climbers. A high MON stat is definately useful in that race. And historically he does way better on the longer climbs than on the shorter once. I'd give him 78/78 or 78/77.
Ohh and btw. Il lombardia is one of the last races on the calendar, so you'd also have to take into consideration that fatigue plays a big factor. Who has got anything left in the tank? Apparently Nieve did..
Edited by j0nne on 12-05-2016 10:54
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 12-05-2016 10:55
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Tafiolmo wrote:
@Aizak Thanks and noted about Intxausti but Nieve is certainly better as he already is, his mtn stat hasn't been that impressive so far this season to be higher but his higher hill stat is due to his 6th at Lombardia at the end of 2015 and as this is not that long ago it's still valid.
2015 was a Lombardia for the pure climbers |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-05-2016 11:00
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I don't play career so I'm not aware of how much fatigue plays throughout the season if it at all does. But if playing one off races then Lombardia is a monument and a principal hilly classic and Nieve finished high enough in that for a 78 hill. He's also looked quite good on hills so far this season.
His Vuelta results leans more towards a 77.5/78 but his mtn climbing this season has certainly been a 77. He's riding Dauphine and the Tour so that will be an indicator where he's at.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-05-2016 11:04
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Riis123 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
@Aizak Thanks and noted about Intxausti but Nieve is certainly better as he already is, his mtn stat hasn't been that impressive so far this season to be higher but his higher hill stat is due to his 6th at Lombardia at the end of 2015 and as this is not that long ago it's still valid.
2015 was a Lombardia for the pure climbers
Well Gallopin only finished about 10 secs behind Nieve in that race and Rosa ahead of him, two riders with 77 and 76 mtn, rosa doing well because of his 78 hill which it should be as this is a hilly race first. Also it depends as well on which Lombardia is also played as there are quite a few out there. The best realization of the race is the new one by Stylus which creates the race to perfection based on the real 2015 route and the stats behave great on that race.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 12-05-2016 11:14
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Stagiare
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Tafiolmo wrote:
I don't play career so I'm not aware of how much fatigue plays throughout the season if it at all does. But if playing one off races then Lombardia is a monument and a principal hilly classic and Nieve finished high enough in that for a 78 hill. He's also looked quite good on hills so far this season.
His Vuelta results leans more towards a 77.5/78 but his mtn climbing this season has certainly been a 77. He's riding Dauphine and the Tour so that will be an indicator where he's at.
Fatigue plays a huge part both in the game and in real life. And I don't really agree with lowering riders stats based of of them not performing to their best of their abilities over a period of half a year of so. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 12-05-2016 11:35
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j0nne wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
I don't play career so I'm not aware of how much fatigue plays throughout the season if it at all does. But if playing one off races then Lombardia is a monument and a principal hilly classic and Nieve finished high enough in that for a 78 hill. He's also looked quite good on hills so far this season.
His Vuelta results leans more towards a 77.5/78 but his mtn climbing this season has certainly been a 77. He's riding Dauphine and the Tour so that will be an indicator where he's at.
Fatigue plays a huge part both in the game and in real life. And I don't really agree with lowering riders stats based of of them not performing to their best of their abilities over a period of half a year of so.
Well given the fact that these updates are now monthly, we have the luxury of garnering current form a bit better and assessing rider stats over the last few months rather than over half a year.
As for Nieve I actually remember deciding whether he should be a 77 or 78 mtn some time ago and there was no objections to him being a 77 before. What I'll do in this case, is mention it to the rest of the team to get their opinion about him which I sometimes do in cases where there is a dispute over his best stats.
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| j0nne |
Posted on 12-05-2016 11:44
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Stagiare
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"Well given the fact that these updates are now monthly, we have the luxury of garnering current form a bit better and assessing rider stats over the last few months rather than over half a year. "
This is exactly what I don't agree with. Their actual level (stats) and their current form is two completely different things. You shouldn't lower a riders stats based on their current form. You should only lower them if they keep underperforming over a longer period of time. At least that's my opinion. |
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