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Giro d'Italia 2016 - Week 1 (6th - 15th May)
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:50
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Waghlon wrote:
Oi, SotD, guido mukk and strydz: Are you really a part of my crew? Why didn't you tell me?
I think they call it a squad nowadays
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| Omloop |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:51
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Riis123 wrote:
Ok, but people are. Waghlon is being childish along with his crew and are grabbing any remote possibility to like/dislike anything they can find for some reason. Find with me.
No one is "after" you and you're definately not a victim. The thing is this is a discussion forum and you seem to love to discuss everything, but then you have to able to accept people dissagreeing with you especially when you again and again seem to write the same things all over again."I don't like the giro startign in the NL". Yeah we get it, the message got across the first time. Concidering the childish "tag teaming", it's just simply that numerous people dissagrees with your "brand new idea", not anyone teaming up against you just because they want to provoke you(which clearly has become the outcome of this dicussion) |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:56
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I'm sorry but there is no way SotD and Waghlon have planned this just to mess with you, Riis. Just because SotD disagrees with you doesn't mean he has anything against you. Both sides brought good arguments and bad arguments, nothing wrong with that. It's not a problem for people to disagree on ideas, quite how (like with so many discussions) it gets personal i don't know.
Then you mention Waghlon who isn't even involved in any way. And you want to complain about people being personal? He is allowed to dislike posts he doesn't like or agree with. You can dislike posts of his you don't like. If it's being abused it will be dealt with. You brought this up the other day and since then it's been on the radar. No need to pull someone into an arguement they've got nothing to do with.
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For the record i've read the entire discussion, cause i saw it was getting personal several posts before. Calling an idea shitty is a bad argument. If you disagree fine, put forwards your view points. Go back and forth a few times. Should become quite clear if someone is going to change their mind (and here's a hint, online they usually won't). At that point, just let it go!
End it simply. "I disagree with you, and i see we won't agree on this. So i'm going to leave it there" "Yes, i see we won't agree on this. Let's move on."
Why oh why these ever need to escalate to a personal level. Just offer up your arguments, and leave it at that. Repeating them over and over won't help. Calling something or someone shitty won't help.
Dragging in other completely unrelated people you have an issue with, that's going to really not help you. Actually it's going to hurt you and take away a lot of sympathy you might have built up if others were being potentially harsh.
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What the hell has happened to you guys this week? News and now this?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:58
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Scaring sprinters away from any GT idea is just ...like Cookson genius idea that Vuelta should much shorter.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 08-05-2016 17:01
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:00
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TheManxMissile wrote:
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What the hell has happened to you guys this week? News and now this?
it is so easy to find out who is behind all that trolling |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:02
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That is an impressive feat considering we have a short TT and 2 basically pancake flat stages... Bravo Nippo!!!
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:03
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Just leave it be
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:05
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fine by me.. I have been out of that "rally" for good anyway |
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:17
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Riis123 wrote:
Ok, but people are. Waghlon is being childish along with his crew and are grabbing any remote possibility to like/dislike anything they can find for some reason. Find with me.
Like I said - You are seeing ghosts. And clearly it is not fine by you since you are the only person highlighting it all the time. If it really didn't matter you didn't even check those figures... And thruth to be told - They don't matter, unless you are very young, imature or struggle with low self esteem. What people like/don't like shouldn't be that important.
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| Roextro |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:21
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:22
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TheManxMissile wrote:
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What the hell has happened to you guys this week? News and now this?
I can offer my services and write 4 week special: ''How to avoid forum wars''. The essential idea involves realizing when war begins and as soon as you realize, you start fapping. 100% proven method to lose any will in arguing. For each week I will go in depth and analyze every part of this 100% effective method.
Send me a PM if interested, but seeing your post, the site is in dire need for intervention!!
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:23
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Stromeon wrote:
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Right. The designers are amateurs. You got me. A multimillion business is planned by retards. It can't be any other way.
They're not retards, it's just their primary function is probably to turn a multimillion business into a multibillion business, rather than design great routes - route design for the GTs seems to be a case of:
Prudhomme: "Ok, so which towns and ski resorts want to cough up some money this year?"
Andorra Arcalis: "Me! I want to! I'll give you all the $$$."
Prudhomme: Well, you're a pretty unremarkable climb in the wrong country that last time you were in the Tour produced an incredibly dull stage, but you're the highest bidder so we'll design something round that I'm sure." (to be fair they've done an OK job of that this year)
Sometimes this results in great routes along the way, like last year's Giro or this year's Tour, and sometimes we get terrible routes, like last year's Tour or this year's Vuelta. It's all a bit of a lottery really. 
How do you think you make a multimilion business into a multibilion one? Byt ignoring the viewers interest? Clearly not. They make the routes so most top riders want to ride, hence more sponsors and more spectators follow. It's really not that difficult. As a cycling geek you can go into details about what would be good or not in terms of interesting racing, but it simply doesn't make any sense, as the races aim for the broad perspectives and not the geeks. You really need to fuck up to make the geeks boykot the Giro or the Tour, but you can easily fuck up the mainstream followers. And they don't want that.
It's basic math and visionairy company strategy, nothing more nothing less. Then we, as geeks can sit and discuss to the world ends, how the perfect route would be - with other geeks. But trust me, their analytics does not primarily aim for us. It aims for regular families and lowkey cycling enthutiasts, who happily pay a bundle of money to buy merchandise and travel to shit towns to watch 5 minutes of cycling.
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:24
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Waghlon wrote:
Oi, SotD, guido mukk and strydz: Are you really a part of my crew? Why didn't you tell me?
Yup let's crew up mate!
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| SotD |
Posted on 08-05-2016 17:28
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Just for the record. Calling an idea shitty isn't a personal attack. If received that way it is simply a matter of shitty interpretation of the written language. Pun intended.
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| lakebeach |
Posted on 08-05-2016 18:55
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Another day for Ludvigsson in the white jersey!  |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 18:55
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SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Ok, but people are. Waghlon is being childish along with his crew and are grabbing any remote possibility to like/dislike anything they can find for some reason. Find with me.
Like I said - You are seeing ghosts. And clearly it is not fine by you since you are the only person highlighting it all the time. If it really didn't matter you didn't even check those figures... And thruth to be told - They don't matter, unless you are very young, imature or struggle with low self esteem. What people like/don't like shouldn't be that important.
For the past 3 days, all my post have literally been disliked by Waghlon and numerous others, while the counterargument havw been liked. Waghlon even told me that "if you say you don't like my posting style, I'm just gonna go ahead and dislike all your posts, hah!". If thats not childish, I don't know what is.
Obviously people care what other think. Its how we work, we are human. Calling me young, immature and to say I struggle with low esteem is kinda low IMO.
Anyways, I just leave it be, no reason for me to continue any further here considering you either don't want or aren't capable of pointing out where my argumentation has changed and why its somehow different than what Stromeon lay forth which you seem to agree with. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 18:59
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this is amazing. Another rider that Giro has introduced for me. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 19:09
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Riis123 wrote:
For the past 3 days, all my post have literally been disliked by Waghlon and numerous others, while the counterargument havw been liked. Waghlon even told me that "if you say you don't like my posting style, I'm just gonna go ahead and dislike all your posts, hah!". If thats not childish, I don't know what is.
1) I have not "literallly disliked all your posts." That is a direct lie.
2) I have not said I would dislike all your posts. That is a direct lie.
3) If lying is not childish, I dont know what is.
I'm taking this to the admins now.
EDIT: And with that, I will now stick to on-topic posts in this thread. Sorry for feeding the troll.
Edited by Waghlon on 08-05-2016 19:14
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| lakebeach |
Posted on 08-05-2016 19:12
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Yeah, it is so nice to have him in one of the leader jerseys. It's like the first time a Swedish rider does something in a GT since Kessiakoff won a stage during the 2012 Vuelta. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 19:21
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lakebeach wrote:
Yeah, it is so nice to have him in one of the leader jerseys. It's like the first time a Swedish rider does something in a GT since Kessiakoff won a stage during the 2012 Vuelta.
Other than Ludvigsson, Kessiakoff and Bäckstedt, have Sweden produced any other results in grand tours?
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