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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:24
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Spoiler Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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ringo182 wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
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Alakagom wrote:
All these recent heart attacks in cycling... every person should go to doctor on yearly basis and check themselves out, ECG, Echo, Stress test. So much death would be avoided if people were just tiny little bit proactive, many heart related deaths have zero visible symptoms, but can be picked up by these various methods.
It might help to if they stopped doping 
And you can fuck off with an attitude like that.
So it's OK for people to wildly claim anyone is a doper base don a few good results and that is fine.
But I make a comment based on the scientific fact of doping and the increase in heart problems and I get sworn at.
Its really inappropriate in these circumstances. That's all.
No, it is not. That's all.
Actually best time to raise questions...
The guy is about to die and youre fine with claiming he definitely doped and thats why it all happened. That's sad as hell. If you wanna say something controversial just for the sake of it please do it more intelligently. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:40
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Spoiler Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
All these recent heart attacks in cycling... every person should go to doctor on yearly basis and check themselves out, ECG, Echo, Stress test. So much death would be avoided if people were just tiny little bit proactive, many heart related deaths have zero visible symptoms, but can be picked up by these various methods.
It might help to if they stopped doping
And you can fuck off with an attitude like that.
So it's OK for people to wildly claim anyone is a doper base don a few good results and that is fine.
But I make a comment based on the scientific fact of doping and the increase in heart problems and I get sworn at.
Its really inappropriate in these circumstances. That's all.
No, it is not. That's all.
Actually best time to raise questions...
The guy is about to die and youre fine with claiming he definitely doped and thats why it all happened. That's sad as hell. If you wanna say something controversial just for the sake of it please do it more intelligently.
He said it might help too if they stopped doping.
Please enlighten me, whats controversial about that? Its more controversial stating that those two things doesn't have anything to do with each other. Frankly getting annoyed at the policing going on here by some members |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:41
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Spoiler Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
All these recent heart attacks in cycling... every person should go to doctor on yearly basis and check themselves out, ECG, Echo, Stress test. So much death would be avoided if people were just tiny little bit proactive, many heart related deaths have zero visible symptoms, but can be picked up by these various methods.
It might help to if they stopped doping
And you can fuck off with an attitude like that.
So it's OK for people to wildly claim anyone is a doper base don a few good results and that is fine.
But I make a comment based on the scientific fact of doping and the increase in heart problems and I get sworn at.
Its really inappropriate in these circumstances. That's all.
No, it is not. That's all.
Actually best time to raise questions...
The guy is about to die and youre fine with claiming he definitely doped and thats why it all happened. That's sad as hell. If you wanna say something controversial just for the sake of it please do it more intelligently.
Can you point out where I said this particular guy was doping. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:43
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Spoiler Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
All these recent heart attacks in cycling... every person should go to doctor on yearly basis and check themselves out, ECG, Echo, Stress test. So much death would be avoided if people were just tiny little bit proactive, many heart related deaths have zero visible symptoms, but can be picked up by these various methods.
It might help to if they stopped doping
And you can fuck off with an attitude like that.
So it's OK for people to wildly claim anyone is a doper base don a few good results and that is fine.
But I make a comment based on the scientific fact of doping and the increase in heart problems and I get sworn at.
Its really inappropriate in these circumstances. That's all.
No, it is not. That's all.
Actually best time to raise questions...
The guy is about to die and youre fine with claiming he definitely doped and thats why it all happened. That's sad as hell. If you wanna say something controversial just for the sake of it please do it more intelligently.
Nobody here said that the guy was definitely doping, ringo just reacted to post of Alak, so learn to understand the written text before playing an internet police pls.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:47
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Okay, so what we have here
1: Guy is hospitalized after having heart problems
2: Alak says they should check more for heart problems
3: It would help if they didn't dope.
Surely there's a clear relationship between number 1 and 3?
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:49
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Obviously it's a tragedy for any young cyclist to be having problems that may rob him of his dream. I have never in my whole time on this board accused anyone of doping. My original post quoted Alak's comment about the rise of heart problems in general.
I have never made any comment about any particular rider and wish him a speedy recovery. Obviously there will be some riders with genuine heart problems. But you can't deny the fact that one of the factors for the general rise in heart problems in cycling is most definitely doping |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:50
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Selwink wrote:
Okay, so what we have here
1: Guy is hospitalized after having heart problems
2: Alak says they should check more for heart problems
3: It would help if they didn't dope.
Surely there's a clear relationship between number 1 and 3?
Nope. The relationship is between 2 & 3 as that's the comment I was responding to. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 05-05-2016 13:53
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Good article on (economic) fall of italian cycling and its way back up
https://velonews.c...ing_403813
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Selwink |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:06
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ringo182 wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Okay, so what we have here
1: Guy is hospitalized after having heart problems
2: Alak says they should check more for heart problems
3: It would help if they didn't dope.
Surely there's a clear relationship between number 1 and 3?
Nope. The relationship is between 2 & 3 as that's the comment I was responding to.
To me the word they seemed to imply a generalization, which made it seem you refer to the hospitalized rider as well. If it's not meant like that -which it does seem like now-, then I apologize for misunderstanding.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:07
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ringo182 wrote:
Obviously it's a tragedy for any young cyclist to be having problems that may rob him of his dream. I have never in my whole time on this board accused anyone of doping. My original post quoted Alak's comment about the rise of heart problems in general.
I have never made any comment about any particular rider and wish him a speedy recovery. Obviously there will be some riders with genuine heart problems. But you can't deny the fact that one of the factors for the general rise in heart problems in cycling is most definitely doping
No, what you should learn is to be more respectful and politically correct. His death and doping has no correlation at all. Bow to the internet policing. Ponk.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:08
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Obviously it's a tragedy for any young cyclist to be having problems that may rob him of his dream. I have never in my whole time on this board accused anyone of doping. My original post quoted Alak's comment about the rise of heart problems in general.
I have never made any comment about any particular rider and wish him a speedy recovery. Obviously there will be some riders with genuine heart problems. But you can't deny the fact that one of the factors for the general rise in heart problems in cycling is most definitely doping
No, what you should learn is to be more respectful and politically correct. His death and doping has no correlation at all. Bow to the internet policing. Ponk.
He isn't dead.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:13
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Shonak wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Obviously it's a tragedy for any young cyclist to be having problems that may rob him of his dream. I have never in my whole time on this board accused anyone of doping. My original post quoted Alak's comment about the rise of heart problems in general.
I have never made any comment about any particular rider and wish him a speedy recovery. Obviously there will be some riders with genuine heart problems. But you can't deny the fact that one of the factors for the general rise in heart problems in cycling is most definitely doping
No, what you should learn is to be more respectful and politically correct. His death and doping has no correlation at all. Bow to the internet policing. Ponk.
He isn't dead.
OK.
Maybe you could contribute instead of liking a totally false post made on assumptions from Kirchen and pointing that out which literally has nothing to do with the actual discussion? |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:20
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Obviously it's a tragedy for any young cyclist to be having problems that may rob him of his dream. I have never in my whole time on this board accused anyone of doping. My original post quoted Alak's comment about the rise of heart problems in general.
I have never made any comment about any particular rider and wish him a speedy recovery. Obviously there will be some riders with genuine heart problems. But you can't deny the fact that one of the factors for the general rise in heart problems in cycling is most definitely doping
No, what you should learn is to be more respectful and politically correct. His death and doping has no correlation at all. Bow to the internet policing. Ponk.
Very easy to just assume his, I'm afraid, likely death is related to dope. There's not only a correlation between dope and heart problems, but also between endurance sports like cycling and heart problems.
https://www.stin.n...r-2006.htm (sorry for Dutch)
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| Shonak |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:21
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I was correcting you because he hasn't died and he is in critical status. This is actually something worth pointing out because it could lead to false assumpations.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:24
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Yeah, he is in hospital dying and every time someone says doping, he is a step further into that eternal light, so please Riis dont say that word.
Yeah, i am cynical jerk, wanna hug?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 05-05-2016 14:26
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Shonak wrote:
I was correcting you because he hasn't died and he is in critical status. This is actually something worth pointing out because it could lead to false assumpations.
Yet you have made it clear that you support Kirchen's viewpoint, but you still don't want to speak the case for ringo's comment being out of line? I can't force you, but it would be appreciated...
Yes, thanks, its relevant, but not necessarily to the discussion between the correlation between heart problems/doping. I mean, whether he has died or not, it doesnt really matter, harsh at that sounds. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 05-05-2016 15:28
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ringo182 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
All these recent heart attacks in cycling... every person should go to doctor on yearly basis and check themselves out, ECG, Echo, Stress test. So much death would be avoided if people were just tiny little bit proactive, many heart related deaths have zero visible symptoms, but can be picked up by these various methods.
It might help to if they stopped doping  Because the winners in the biggest races are always clean and doping only happens in smaller races.Oh wait |
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 06-05-2016 08:02
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A guy is in hospital fighting for his life.
There is 0 evidence at this point that he is doping. You link his current condition to doping, thereby implying that he brought it upon himself. That's a low blow.
In the case that he did in fact dope, does that still justify implying his condition is deserved because there of?
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 06-05-2016 08:08
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Riis123 wrote:
I think its safe to say that the attitude of dismissing any doping accusations grooms at a very young stage of any bike rider
So being a young rider I'm supposed to relate to this? I'm being "groomed" to dismiss all accusations of doping and keep the omertà culture sacred and holy at all times? Because one day I might have to deny my own doping accusations?
Sorry mate, but you know fuck-all about the person or bike rider I am.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-05-2016 08:29
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aidanvn13 wrote:
A guy is in hospital fighting for his life.
There is 0 evidence at this point that he is doping. You link his current condition to doping, thereby implying that he brought it upon himself. That's a low blow.
In the case that he did in fact dope, does that still justify implying his condition is deserved because there of?
Again, where did I imply the guy in hospital was doping? Show me where I said that? Alak made a comment about the increase of heart problems in cycling in general and I said it may help if cyclists in general stopped doping.
I'm hugely offended that you are putting words into my mouth and blatantly lying about what you are claiming I have said. I have never once accused any individual cyclist of doping.
Either point out where anyone on this thread has accused any individual of doping or stop claiming that is what has been said. It is completely out of order to lie about what people have said to try to back up your own point of view. |
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