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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-04-2016 20:51
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I disagree here.But yeah they are very close.[/quote]
I am a huge Valverde-fan, you can accuse me of being biased etc., but I honestly can't see how Nibali should be more all-round than Valverde. What does Nibali have on Valverde - the cobbled stages?[/quote]
He is better on mountains,TTs as well.he also is a better descender imo.[/quote]
same type riders..great cycling brain. It's depends about day..they are almost same climbing level at GT. Valverde can keep up on descent.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-04-2016 20:53
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I am a huge Valverde-fan, you can accuse me of being biased etc., but I honestly can't see how Nibali should be more all-round than Valverde. What does Nibali have on Valverde - the cobbled stages?[/quote]
He is better on mountains,TTs as well.he also is a better descender imo.[/quote]
same type riders..great cycling brain. It's depends about day..they are almost same climbing level at GT. Valverde can keep up on descent.
Pointless debate..[/quote]
Why is it pointless? Valverde is by far the better sprinter and hilly classics rider, Nibali has one Lombardia to show for. They time trial as well, Valverde has better prologues, and Nibali doesnt descend better contrary to popular beliefs. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:00
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Riis123 wrote:
I am a huge Valverde-fan, you can accuse me of being biased etc., but I honestly can't see how Nibali should be more all-round than Valverde. What does Nibali have on Valverde - the cobbled stages?
He is better on mountains,TTs as well.he also is a better descender imo.[/quote]
same type riders..great cycling brain. It's depends about day..they are almost same climbing level at GT. Valverde can keep up on descent.
Pointless debate..[/quote]
Why is it pointless? Valverde is by far the better sprinter and hilly classics rider, Nibali has one Lombardia to show for. They time trial as well, Valverde has better prologues, and Nibali doesnt descend better contrary to popular beliefs.[/quote]Yeah Valv is better in prologues.
In the descnts I think Nibali is a bit better,not that much though.
Also Nibali finished Milan-Sanremo 3rd and Liege-Bastogne-Liege 2nd in 2012.He was also 4th in WCRR in 2013. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:10
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But that hilly classics/WC records is just not comparable to Valverde's. Its just that much better, like comparing Nuyens's one day classics to Boonen's. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:16
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I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really.
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Posted on 22-04-2016 21:29
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:33
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:52
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PITIIIIII <3
Is that Livestrong?  Oh god, the doping references in this picture. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 22-04-2016 21:53
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Vino and Nibali in the same photo.That is just too much awesomeness in terms of racing |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 22-04-2016 22:19
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Shonak wrote:
I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really. Yes, Nibali is lousy almost always and Valverde is always world class.
Riis123 wrote:
But that hilly classics/WC records is just not comparable to Valverde's. Its just that much better, like comparing Nuyens's one day classics to Boonen's. Yes. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-04-2016 23:04
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Arberg27 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really. Yes, Nibali is lousy almost always and Valverde is always world class.
7 GT podiums ( 3 of them wins). is almost lousy always? Don't even start with that |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 22-04-2016 23:18
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really. Yes, Nibali is lousy almost always and Valverde is always world class.
7 GT podiums ( 3 of them wins). is almost lousy always? Don't even start with that
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| Strydz |
Posted on 23-04-2016 03:03
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really. Yes, Nibali is lousy almost always and Valverde is always world class.
7 GT podiums ( 3 of them wins). is almost lousy always? Don't even start with that
Areberg is trolling, I don't understand why so many take the bait
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| Strydz |
Posted on 23-04-2016 03:05
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Riis123 wrote:
PITIIIIII <3
Is that Livestrong? Oh god, the doping references in this picture.
The Livestrong bracelet is hilarious but it's the poodle styled hair plugs that make this picture art
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
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William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-04-2016 06:01
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I don't think Nibali is the most complete simply because he is a no-show in so many races. Valv is the epitome of completeness because he can ride and perform on high level in so many stage races and classics throughout the year for more than a decade, it's amazing really. Yes, Nibali is lousy almost always and Valverde is always world class.
7 GT podiums ( 3 of them wins). is almost lousy always? Don't even start with that Have you read Shonak post or are you just stupid? Nibali is lousy all year round except in 1-2 race. Valverde is world class all the time. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 23-04-2016 19:04
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Guess who is back for tomorrow`s Turkey Tour?
Mustafa Sayar, who "won" the 2013 event but was doped back then, is again riding for Torku.
His first UCI race since the ban apparently was last weeks Tour of Mersin, where he showed good form as 4th in the GC.
Wonder if he repeats the 2013 performance. |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 23-04-2016 19:09
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Should be a few easy stage wins for Greipel 
Modolo ain't winning shit these days.
Edited by Dusen on 23-04-2016 19:10
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 23-04-2016 19:10
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So the team does still exist?
https://velonews.competitor.com/2016/0...rch_392914 |
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| roturn |
Posted on 23-04-2016 19:12
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Didn`t know this.
But also the Tour of Mersin last week seems to be the only race this year so far for them with the Turkey Tour being the 2nd one. |
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 23-04-2016 19:31
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Strange as Velonews' tweet was retweeted by some of the team's riders. I found a Wielerflits article stating they started a fundraising to keep the team from disappearing. Don't know if this attempt being succesful is the reason for their 'revival' though. |
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