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Authorised wage bill
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| niini |
Posted on 11-04-2016 10:19
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Hi
What is difference between maximum authorised wage bill and total wage bill allowed by budget of my sponsor ??
For example i am trying to sign Stybar for next season. My estimated wage bill for next season is 27000 so far, my maximum authorised wage bill is 162 900 and bufget allocated by my sponsor allowes me total wage bill for 251 900.
But it seems that game wont let me have higher wage bill than those 162 900 which seems strange to me. Why they are giving me 251 900 when then dont want me to use them ?? |
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 11-04-2016 10:42
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The total wage bill is including the wages of the riders you already have contracted, the authorized bill is what you have left for signing new riders.
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| niini |
Posted on 11-04-2016 10:57
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It says my wage bill for next season is estimated to be 27000, i thhink contracted riders are included in this number arent they ? |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 11-04-2016 14:03
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niini wrote:
But it seems that game wont let me have higher wage bill than those 162 900 which seems strange to me. Why they are giving me 251 900 when then dont want me to use them ??
Yeah, it's a nuisance. So, the 27,000 figure, the estimated wage bill for next season, is how much the riders will cost you who already have a contract for next season. The total wage bill is an early estimate of how much the sponsor will pay you next year. The figure can still change (but not substantially) depending on the rest of the season. But sadly, there is the maximum authorized wage bill which you aren't allowed to go over. It's only based on the current wages and ignores that your sponsor will be paying you so much more next year.
Even worse, the game keeps track of anybody you are offering a contract to. But you'll find lots of riders will choose other teams instead so ideally you'd like to offer contracts to twice as many riders as you need. But no chance with that authorized wage bill.
What I do, I don't really think it's cheating: I use Lachi's Editor to change the current wages. Change just one rider who earns 10,000 per month to 100,000 per month and it will increase the max authorized wage bill by a lot (even more than 100,000). Don't forget to change it back once you've finalized your signings. |
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| niini |
Posted on 11-04-2016 23:02
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OK i will do it your way. I dont see that as cheating either, more likeky i see it as fixing wrong game mechanic.
But i have another question. What is maximum salary for rider imposed by my director ??? |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 11-04-2016 23:50
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Because as many years on this forum shows, players WILL spend too much money, and at least this game mechanic might stop them from bankrupting themselves in their second season.
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| niini |
Posted on 12-04-2016 00:53
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Yeah well so we fear player will bankrupt in second season , lets force him to no use money he have ... really brilliant mechanic |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 12-04-2016 00:58
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Well you get your new squad 2 months before your new budget which makes even less sense as you have 2 months where you are guarnuteed to be running at a loss.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 12-04-2016 07:42
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Waghlon wrote:
Because as many years on this forum shows, players WILL spend too much money, and at least this game mechanic might stop them from bankrupting themselves in their second season.
Not true, the very opposite. It's silly that the maximum authorized wage bill is only dependent on your current wages and ignores if the sponsor will increase or lower the budget next season. It's this system which allows you to go bankrupt.
@sammyt: I wouldn't worry about that. You get a lump sum on the 1st of January which makes up for those 2 months. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 12-04-2016 10:03
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Look, whatever, let me just save you some time by answering your next question:
https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=42368
You're welcome.
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| niini |
Posted on 12-04-2016 11:40
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Now can i do something with maximum salary allowed by my directors for rider ? Seems pretty stupid as well to me |
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 12-04-2016 14:38
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I found the finances very limiting when trying to develop a CT team in a PCM14 career.
I got round it with an 'exploit' where you only sign 1 year sponsor deals and set easy objectives in the first half of the season and all 1st in the second half. Sign a new 1 year deal in July and failing to win any following races doesn't matter.
Here is a post with a pic of the objectives I negotiated.
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_982501
P.S. I don't have PCM15 so not sure if this still applies.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 12-04-2016 19:17
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@DaveTwoBob: I like to earn myself a higher budget. I don't mind having to give up riders to replace them with new hopefuls.
@ninii: Tha maximum wage allowed for one rider ties to the maximum allowed total wage bill. If a rider asks for 100k but you only have 50k left, that's all you are allowed to offer.
So you'd have to use the trick I talked about. Download an external editor (try PCM Fast Editor), open your save game and open the table dyn_contract_cyclist. Choose one of your riders and edit finan_i_period_wage. Turn 10,000 into 100,000, for example. Save and then reload the game. You should now have far more money to spend - but don't spend more than your sponsor will pay you next season.
You said you want to hire Stybar, I doubt you can afford him. Which is probably why Waghlon talked about bankruptcy. Make you sponsor happy every season and the budget will keep on increasing. |
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| niini |
Posted on 12-04-2016 22:20
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Stybar was too expensive for me and i didnt even give him offer. I dont need game to limit me i can make calculations by myself thats why i see it as bug. Stupid is i have still arround 20k in sponsors budget but game wont let me offer to rider more than 3500 .. sure thing everyone will overbid me. |
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| niini |
Posted on 12-04-2016 22:37
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Problem is not maximum authorised wage bill thats fixed, problem is sentence right under it:
"Directors have imposed maximum salary for this rider 3500 per month" |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2016 22:39
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I've been struggling to make sense of this problem, can you post a screenshot?
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| niini |
Posted on 12-04-2016 22:47
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Ok solved .. it seems that is related to quality of rider as for better riders it allows me to offer more.. with that i can live  |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 13-04-2016 07:31
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Yes, the maximum is also dependent on how much the rider is asking for. If the rider only wants 2,500 you can only offer him up to 3,500. Offering him more would be a waste anyway. I recently tried to extend the contract of a rider who was asking for 38,000 and offered him up to 44,000 and he still signed with a different team - for 38,000, and it was a lowly Continental team while I manage a World Tour team. Go figure. |
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| niini |
Posted on 13-04-2016 11:52
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Well seems like money isnt everything for this profesionals after all
Wasnt it teem from his country perharps ? |
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| gargatouf |
Posted on 13-04-2016 13:36
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I think DaveTwoBob is right. The main problem with this comes when making the move up a division.
I started a career down at Conti Level with some young riders and was promoted after a year to Pro Conti. After 2 or 3 years at Pro Conti level I was promoted to WT. By June, and the transfer period, I pretty much knew I was going to be promoted as I had a comfortable margin to other teams and I also had achieved the majority of my sponsor's objectives, so the sponsor was happy with my results.
But in the game, sponsors don't take into account the fact that you might get promoted. So after offering new contracts to my existing riders, I did not have a lot of money left to sign new ones. I had a decent Pro Conti team, but small (only about 14-15 riders I think). I had the money to sign a couple of new average riders (nothing that would make a difference to my squad) or lots of neo-pros. I did not want to sign 10 or 12 neo pros as I wanted to have a chance of having a decent season.
In the end I decided to go for numbers and signed lots of neo-pros but my results are not as good as I wanted and I will probably go back down to Pro Conti at the end of the season. |
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