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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 14:17
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Ian Butler wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Wonder what La Gazetta would have said if a neo-pro had won the race in his first go 
Bah La Gazetta
Bah L'Equipe
Bah Het Nieuwsblad
National sports papers are so rubbish.
Isn't there any magazine, newspaper or good site that's not biased about nationality?
Cyclingsnews sounds good, but they get things wrong too often to be trustworthy 
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 14:27
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Ian Butler wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Wonder what La Gazetta would have said if a neo-pro had won the race in his first go
Bah La Gazetta
Bah L'Equipe
Bah Het Nieuwsblad
National sports papers are so rubbish.
Isn't there any magazine, newspaper or good site that's not biased about nationality?
Cyclingsnews sounds good, but they get things wrong too often to be trustworthy
Nothing better than being in Italy and reading La Gazetta or in France reading L'Equipe every morning at the pool after a Tour stage. Who cares if its biased, I don't understand 99% anyways! |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 14:29
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Alakagom wrote:
Gazzetta today with ''The podium of this edition is not at the level of such a big Classic. We need to change the route.'' Ouch..
Partly due to crashes, but I agree: Demare, Swift and Roelandts is very underwhelming for MSR. Get Le Manie or Pompeina in there. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-03-2016 14:47
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emre99 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Gazzetta today with ''The podium of this edition is not at the level of such a big Classic. We need to change the route.'' Ouch..
Demare, Swift, Roelandts(?) was the strongest in the 295kms. What the hell is wrong with that?
They were actually the best riders not held by crash of Gaviria (and other crashes), to be precise. 
That is part of racing though...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-03-2016 14:50
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Another amazing save by Sagan there, i guess majority of riders would go down there. 
And i guess 2nd part shows that he is a bit pissed by Gaviria and his rookie mistake. Or praise his own skills.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 20-03-2016 15:11
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Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
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| emre99 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 15:24
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Cossack wrote:
Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
Sorry, but how it shows that demare cheated..
EDIT: Just read Tosatto that he climbed the cipressa at 60km/h.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 15:33
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emre99 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
Sorry, but how it shows that demare cheated..
EDIT: Just read Tosatto that he climbed the cipressa at 60km/h.
He did the Cipressa 7 secs faster than Visconti who was attacking. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2016 15:55
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
emre99 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
Sorry, but how it shows that demare cheated..
EDIT: Just read Tosatto that he climbed the cipressa at 60km/h.
He did the Cipressa 7 secs faster than Visconti who was attacking.
For the segment highlighted he might have gone 7 seconds faster than Visconti but to put it into perspective he matched Kwiatkowski's time of 2:33 from 2015, which was 1 second faster than Ciolek of 2:34 also in 2015, Greipel also did a 2:34 last year. So yeah he went fast but considering he was chasing back on was it really that fast? Also going 1 second faster than Greipel the year before makes it almost look legitimate.
Also guys Demare hasn't deleted the ride from Strava https://www.strava.com/activities/521...2/overview
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:02
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Now the part of the ride that does look a bit suspect is the actual time he did on the whole Cipressa on Strava and not just the highlighted segment that posted. This is the part that makes me think he did hang onto a team car for part of the climb https://www.strava.com/segments/62691...er=overall Only 3 seconds faster than Visconti for the whole climb
Edited by Strydz on 20-03-2016 16:07
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:05
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Well, Cipressa is longer than that no? Demare time of entire Cipressa is 10:02 which is really fast, but 5 seconds faster than Visconti if we consider time registered by this site : https://www.climbing-records.com/searc...-results=5.
I don't think it's insane, considering the fact that he was in cars, and the weather was fine (both times for Poggio and Cipressa are good this year). |
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| emre99 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:08
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Strydz wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
emre99 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
Sorry, but how it shows that demare cheated..
EDIT: Just read Tosatto that he(Demare) climbed the cipressa at 60km/h.
He did the Cipressa 7 secs faster than Visconti who was attacking.
For the segment highlighted he might have gone 7 seconds faster than Visconti but to put it into perspective he matched Kwiatkowski's time of 2:33 from 2015, which was 1 second faster than Ciolek of 2:34 also in 2015, Greipel also did a 2:34 last year. So yeah he went fast but considering he was chasing back on was it really that fast? Also going 1 second faster than Greipel the year before makes it almost look legitimate.
Also guys Demare hasn't deleted the ride from Strava https://www.strava.com/activities/521...2/overview
So, he just get helped from the car but it wasn't that big as it doesnt show the ipressa climbed more than 45km/h, which he gets it on one little point(the help).
Edited by emre99 on 20-03-2016 16:13
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:20
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emre99 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
emre99 wrote:
Cossack wrote:
Looks like all the rumours about Demare cheating are true :/
Picture found on Polish cycling page:
Apparently on 1,7 km part of Cipressa Demare was 7 s faster than Visconti attacking from peleton, seems legit.
The ride was immediately deleted from Strava (probably automatic upload followed by delete), but somebody took those screenshots.
Sorry, but how it shows that demare cheated..
EDIT: Just read Tosatto that he(Demare) climbed the cipressa at 60km/h.
He did the Cipressa 7 secs faster than Visconti who was attacking.
For the segment highlighted he might have gone 7 seconds faster than Visconti but to put it into perspective he matched Kwiatkowski's time of 2:33 from 2015, which was 1 second faster than Ciolek of 2:34 also in 2015, Greipel also did a 2:34 last year. So yeah he went fast but considering he was chasing back on was it really that fast? Also going 1 second faster than Greipel the year before makes it almost look legitimate.
Also guys Demare hasn't deleted the ride from Strava https://www.strava.com/activities/521...2/overview
So, he just get helped from the car but it wasn't that big as it doesnt show the ipressa climbed more than 45km/h, which he gets it on one little point(the help).
The only time he hits that speed is near the summit which flattens out so if he was really going for it then that speed makes sense
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:26
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Visconti also hit 47.9 Kph close to the summit of the Cipressa which is the same spot Demare hits 50.8 Kph. The year before Kwiatkowski topped out at 52.6 at that same spot and Greipel topped out at the same speed as Demare of 50.8.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:41
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Riis123 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Gazzetta today with ''The podium of this edition is not at the level of such a big Classic. We need to change the route.'' Ouch..
Partly due to crashes, but I agree: Demare, Swift and Roelandts is very underwhelming for MSR. Get Le Manie or Pompeina in there.
If you only want fancy names on your palmares list, you're not worthy of hosting a monument.
They should let the race decide the winners and not complain about it afterwards. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:43
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Stybar had a bad day
"I hope that the DOG which I hit in full speed in downhill of Cipressa doesn't have any injuries.."
Can't understand why you would have an unleashed dog around when a pro peloton is coming past
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 20-03-2016 16:53
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Demare, Swift, Roelandts(?) was the strongest in the 295kms. What the hell is wrong with that?
They were actually the best riders not held by crash of Gaviria (and other crashes), to be precise.
That is part of racing though...[/quote]
Can you please stop already..this race is over , let's hope better luck for Sagan next time. And don't forget ..probably fastest man himself crashed and you did see him pushed over the line later. This was broken young man..who was in great shape and great place, young rider who made rookie mistake. |
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| georgebooo |
Posted on 20-03-2016 18:43
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Strydz wrote:
Stybar had a bad day
"I hope that the DOG which I hit in full speed in downhill of Cipressa doesn't have any injuries.."
Can't understand why you would have an unleashed dog around when a pro peloton is coming past
if i remember well, a stupid thing like this happened in tdf 2-3 years ago when bakelans won the stage.. some ppl just dont use their brain |
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| Roudou_77 |
Posted on 20-03-2016 23:47
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I think it's Fred Guesdon in 1998, Paris-Roubaix. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-03-2016 06:51
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
They were actually the best riders not held by crash of Gaviria (and other crashes), to be precise.
That is part of racing though...
Can you please stop already..this race is over , let's hope better luck for Sagan next time. And don't forget ..probably fastest man himself crashed and you did see him pushed over the line later. This was broken young man..who was in great shape and great place, young rider who made rookie mistake.
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