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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 22-09-2015 10:09
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Spoiler My opinion is this:
Mountain Stats:
Froome/Quintana 83
Contador/Nibali 82
Valverde/Aru 81
Rodriguez/Landa 80
Majka/Mollema/Pinot/Porte/Gesink/Tejay/Bardet 79
Hesjedal/Konig/Uran/Thomas/Pozzovivo/Rolland/Kruijswijk/Peraud 78
Talansky/Frank/Barguil/Chaves/Kreuziger/Amador/Caruso/Nieve/Intxausti/Zakarin/A.Yates/Costa/Poels/Ten Dam/S.Yates/Spilak/Fuglsang/S.Sanchez/Dumoulin/D.Martin/W.Kelderman 77
Henao/Kangert/Moreno/Meintjes Etc.76
Hill Stats:
Valverde 82
Rodriguez/Gilbert 81
Kwiatkoski/Gerrans/Alaphilippe/Moreno/Martin 80
Costa/Mollema/Kreuziger/Henao 79
Chaves/Vuillermoz/Slagter Etc. 78
Cobble Stats: (Im considering give 80 to Cance and GVA and put a lot of riders in 80)
Cancellara/GVA 81
Terpstra/Vanmarcke/Thomas/Degenkolb/Boonen/Stybar/Kristoff 80
Boom/Sagan79
Stannard/Vandenbergh/Rowe78
Roelandts/Wiggins/Langeveld/Lampaert/Leukemans/Oss/Devolder/Elmiger/Paolini/Keukeleire/B.De Backer 77
TT Stats:
T.Martin/Wiggins 82
Cance/Dennis/Dumoulin 80
Dowset/Malori/Kiryenka 79
Froome/Kwia 78
Porte/Contador/Thomas/Zakarin/Barta/Spilak/Phinney/Castroviejo/Bodner/TVG/LLS/Uran/Sergent 77
Clement/Chavenl/Brandle/Terpstra etc. 76
SP/ACC Stats:
Greipel 82 82
Cavendish 82 80
Bouhanni 81 80
Kristoff 81 80
Degen 80 80
Sagan 80 82
Kittel 80 80-But with good potential to grew up and become better than Greipel
Modolo/Viviani/Nizzolo 79 78
Demare/Hofland/S.Bennet/Pelluchi 78 78
Coquard/Guardini 78 79
D.Van Poppel/Mezgec 78/77
Edit: Yeah this kinda screwed up the layout... -Matt. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 22-09-2015 10:21
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I would wait with more discussion stuff, until the WC are over. f.e. if Malori should destroy everyone by a minute, all arguing about his stat now, would be nonsense.
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| djick |
Posted on 22-09-2015 12:06
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 22-09-2015 12:36
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Jorge14 in general you stats are very good but... Kittel spr80 / acc80 ??? I dont think the same |
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| miguejack |
Posted on 22-09-2015 12:45
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I kinda agree with you but only kindaSpoiler Jorge14 wrote:
My opinion is this:
Mountain Stats:
Froome/Quintana 83
Contador/Nibali 82
Valverde/Aru 81
Rodriguez/Landa 80
Majka/Mollema/Pinot/Porte/Gesink/Tejay/Bardet 79
Hesjedal/Konig/Uran/Thomas/Pozzovivo/Rolland/Kruijswijk/Peraud 78
Talansky/Frank/Barguil/Chaves/Kreuziger/Amador/Caruso/Nieve/Intxausti/Zakarin/A.Yates/Costa/Poels/Ten Dam/S.Yates/Spilak/Fuglsang/S.Sanchez/Dumoulin/D.Martin/W.Kelderman 77
Henao/Kangert/Moreno/Meintjes Etc.76
Hill Stats:
Valverde 82
Rodriguez/Gilbert 81
Kwiatkoski/Gerrans/Alaphilippe/Moreno/Martin 80
Costa/Mollema/Kreuziger/Henao 79
Chaves/Vuillermoz/Slagter Etc. 78
Cobble Stats: (Im considering give 80 to Cance and GVA and put a lot of riders in 80)
Cancellara/GVA 81
Terpstra/Vanmarcke/Thomas/Degenkolb/Boonen/Stybar/Kristoff 80
Boom/Sagan79
Stannard/Vandenbergh/Rowe78
Roelandts/Wiggins/Langeveld/Lampaert/Leukemans/Oss/Devolder/Elmiger/Paolini/Keukeleire/B.De Backer 77
TT Stats:
T.Martin/Wiggins 82
Cance/Dennis/Dumoulin 80
Dowset/Malori/Kiryenka 79
Froome/Kwia 78
Porte/Contador/Thomas/Zakarin/Barta/Spilak/Phinney/Castroviejo/Bodner/TVG/LLS/Uran/Sergent 77
Clement/Chavenl/Brandle/Terpstra etc. 76
SP/ACC Stats:
Greipel 82 82
Cavendish 82 80
Bouhanni 81 80
Kristoff 81 80
Degen 80 80
Sagan 80 82
Kittel 80 80-But with good potential to grew up and become better than Greipel
Modolo/Viviani/Nizzolo 79 78
Demare/Hofland/S.Bennet/Pelluchi 78 78
Coquard/Guardini 78 79
D.Van Poppel/Mezgec 78/77
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| miguejack |
Posted on 22-09-2015 12:47
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He's a hilly slash sprinter boy but it is very hard to give him new stats
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 22-09-2015 13:21
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What do you change in my stats? |
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| djick |
Posted on 22-09-2015 14:02
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Miguel Angel Lopez
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-09-2015 21:27
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We've all been surprised with the TT, so what the hell to we give Coppel who is on about 74TT? When I played the Paris-Nice recently he surprised me by winning the prologue there with this stat, but that's a far cry from the WC, Also what for Kiryenka and Malori both on 78TT and need a push possibly to 79-80? Or possibly not, because Martin and Dumouin underperformed today due to sickness, fatigue, injury or just lack of form. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-09-2015 21:33
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Mountain Stats:
83: Froome/Quintana
82: Landa
81: Valverde/Contador/Aru/Nibali
80: Porte/Rodriguez/Pinot/Tajay
79: Gesink/Bardet/Thomas/Majka
Hill Stats:
83: Valverde
82: Alaphilippe/Rodriguez/Gilbert/Kwiatkoski/Martin
81: Chaves/Vuillermoz/Froome/Moreno/Gerrans
Cobble Stats:
83: Cancellara/GVA/Vanmarcke/Stybar
82: Terpstra/Thomas/Degenkolb/Kristoff
81: Sagan/Boonen
TT Stats:
83: Wiggins/Martin/Kiryenka
82: Dennis/Malori/Dumoulin
81: Coppel/Cancellara
80: Contador/Porte/Froome/Phinney
PL Stats:
83: Dennis
82: Dumoulin/Cancellara/Martin
81: Wiggins/Malori
SP/ACC Stats:
Greipel 83 81
Kittel 82 83
Cavendish 81 82
Sagan 81 81
Kristoff 81 80
Bouhanni 80 81
Degenkolb 80 80
Viviani 80 80
Edit 1: Have set Kittel one down in the sprint, as he has not had a big season.
Edit 2: Should Wiggins deleted ?
Edit 3: Have made a few adjustments to TT, Wiggins is stopped and Martin has not won a time trial this season.
Edit 4: Maybe Valverde and Rodriguez one down in mountain, Endurance, Hill and ACC makes them crazy.
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-09-2015 08:50
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-09-2015 21:37
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Arberg27 wrote:
Mountain Stats:
83: Froome/Quintana
82: Landa
81: Valverde/Contador/Aru/Nibali
80: Porte/Rodriguez/Pinot/Tajay
79: Gesink/Bardet/Thomas/Majka
Hill Stats:
83: Valverde
82: Alaphilippe/Rodriguez/Gilbert/Kwiatkoski/Martin
81: Chaves/Vuillermoz/Froome/Moreno/Gerrans
Cobble Stats:
83: Cancellara
82: GVA/Vanmarcke/Stybar
81: Terpstra/Thomas/Degenkolb/Kristoff
80: Sagan/Boonen
TT Stats:
83: Wiggins
82: Kiryenka/Dumoulin/Martin
81: Dennis/Malori
80: Froome/Cancellara
PL Stats:
83: Dennis
82: Dumoulin/Cancellara/Martin
81: Wiggins/Malori
SP/ACC Stats:
Kittel 83 83
Greipel 83 81
Cavendish 81 82
Sagan 81 81
Kristoff 81 80
Viviani 80 81
Bouhanni 80 80
Degenkolb 80 80
Some of those cobble and TT stats look very high and if you give Landa a higher mtn stat than Aru the game AI will elect him GT leader instead of Aru which is not so realistic if you want realism, won't matter forn next season but this year it still would. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:03
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Tafiolmo wrote:If you give Landa a higher mtn stat than Aru the game AI will elect him GT leader instead of Aru which is not so realistic if you want realism. Because Astana is stupid, they had won the Giro with Landa as leader. Landa is third best climb right now. But no, there are many other stats that is also important. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:14
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Arberg27 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:If you give Landa a higher mtn stat than Aru the game AI will elect him GT leader instead of Aru which is not so realistic if you want realism. Because Astana is stupid, they had won the Giro with Landa as leader. Landa is third best climb right now. But no, there are many other stats that is also important.
I'm talking about the game AI and not the Astana management team, if people want realism.
Also you can't have Aru collecting water bottles for other riders, he needs to be at the front attacking and pulling those great faces (sadly we can't see them in the game)
You've also put Landa above Contador and Nibali, that's crazy. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:38
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Tafiolmo wrote:You've also put Landa above Contador and Nibali, that's crazy. In the mountains yes, overall no. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:50
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Landa's the climbing sensation of the year, but to put him above riders like Contador, Nibali and Aru in the mtn stat who between them have won 4 GT's in the last year and a bit with their own climbing ability, is kind of odd thing to do. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:57
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Valverde, Contador, Nibali and Aru are better in all other stats. Rodriguez is also better than Landa in the game with this stats. Maybe Valverde and Rodriguez one down in mountain, Endurance, Hill and ACC makes them crazy.
Edited by Arberg27 on 23-09-2015 23:19
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| miguejack |
Posted on 23-09-2015 23:20
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I really like him even though he's young and not proven much. I would give him 75/76 MO, 72/73 HIL, 70/71 PLG, 67/68 TT.
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 24-09-2015 09:42
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Update.
Flat:
83: Cancellara
82: Martin
81: Terpstra/Thomas
80: Degenkolb/Kristoff/Vanmarcke
Mountain:
83: Froome
82: Quintana
81: Landa/Contador/Aru/Nibali
80: Valverde/Porte/Pinot/Tajay
79: Rodriguez/Gesink/Bardet/Thomas/Majka
Hill:
83: Valverde
82: Alaphilippe/Rodriguez/Gilbert/Kwiatkoski/Martin
81: Chaves/Vuillermoz/Froome/Moreno/Gerrans
Down:
83: Sagan
81: Nibali/Cancellara
80: Bardet/Kwiatkoski
79: Sanchez/Sanchez/Valverde/Contador
Cobble:
83: Cancellara/GVA/Vanmarcke/Stybar
82: Terpstra/Thomas/Degenkolb/Kristoff
81: Sagan/Boonen
TT:
83: Wiggins/Martin/Kiryenka
82: Dennis/Malori/Dumoulin
81: Coppel/Cancellara
80: Contador/Porte/Froome/Phinney
PL:
83: Dennis
82: Dumoulin/Cancellara/Martin
81: Wiggins/Malori
SP:
83: Greipel
82: Kittel
81: Cavendish/Sagan/Kristoff
80: Bouhanni/Degenkolb/Viviani
ACC:
83: Kittel/Gilbert
82: Cavendish/Rodriguez
81: Sagan/Greipel/Bouhanni/Froome
80: Kristoff/Degenkolb/Viviani/Valverde/Contador
RES:
83: Froome/Martin
82: Cancellara/Porte
81: Valverde/Sagan/Quintana/Landa
END:
83: Cancellara/Kristoff
82: Degenkolb/Valverde/Gilbert
81: Sagan/Boonen/Alaphilippe
REC:
83: Quintana
82: Hesjedal/Greipel
81: Landa/Sagan/Kittel/Kruijswijk
Edited by Arberg27 on 26-09-2015 13:22
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-09-2015 09:55
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Not one stat where I can even remotely agree with you. I think everyone here had plenty of patience with your suggestions, but maybe it's time to either admit you're just trolling for fun, either realise your understanding of cycling is not what it should be to join this discussion.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 24-09-2015 10:13
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Arberg27 wrote:
Update.
Flat Stats:
83: Cancellara
82: Martin
81: Terpstra/Thomas
80: Degenkolb/Kristoff/Vanmarcke
Mountain Stats:
83: Froome
82: Quintana
81: Landa/Contador/Aru/Nibali
80: Valverde/Porte/Pinot/Tajay
79: Rodriguez/Gesink/Bardet/Thomas/Majka
Hill Stats:
83: Valverde
82: Alaphilippe/Rodriguez/Gilbert/Kwiatkoski/Martin
81: Chaves/Vuillermoz/Froome/Moreno/Gerrans
Down Stats:
83: Sagan
81: Nibali/Cancellara
80: Bardet/Kwiatkoski
79: Sanchez/Sanchez/Valverde/Contador
Cobble Stats:
83: Cancellara/GVA/Vanmarcke/Stybar
82: Terpstra/Thomas/Degenkolb/Kristoff
81: Sagan/Boonen
TT Stats:
83: Wiggins/Martin/Kiryenka
82: Dennis/Malori/Dumoulin
81: Coppel/Cancellara
80: Contador/Porte/Froome/Phinney
PL Stats:
83: Dennis
82: Dumoulin/Cancellara/Martin
81: Wiggins/Malori
SP/ACC Stats:
Greipel 83 81
Kittel 82 83
Cavendish 81 82
Sagan 81 81
Kristoff 81 80
Bouhanni 80 81
Degenkolb 80 80
Viviani 80 80
ACC Stats:
83: Kittel/Gilbert
82: Cavendish/Rodriguez
81: Sagan/Greipel/Bouhanni/Froome
80: Kristoff/Degenkolb/Viviani/Valverde/Contador
RES:
83: Froome/Martin
82: Cancellara/Porte
81: Valverde/Sagan/Quintana/Landa
END:
83: Cancellara/Kristoff
82: Degenkolb/Valverde/Gilbert
81: Sagan/Boonen/Alaphilippe
REC:
83: Quintana
82: Hesjedal/Greipel
81: Landa/Sagan/Kittel/Kruijswijk
Mo:
83 Froome, Quintana
82 Contador, Nibali
81 Landa, Aru, Valverde
80 Porte, Pinot, Van Garderen, Rodriguez
Hl:
82 Valverde
81 Rodriguez, D.Martin, Gilbert
80 Alaphilippe, Kwiatkowski, Gerrans
79 Vuillermoz, Moreno, Costa, Chavez, Dumoulin, Henao
78 Nibali, Froome, Contador
77Quintana
TT:
82:Martin, Dumoulin
81:Cancellara, Dennis
80:Malori, Kiryenka
Pro
82:Martin, Dumoulin, Cancellara, Dennis
81:Malori
Cob
82:Cancellara
81:Vanmarcke, GVA, Stybar
80:Terpstra, Boonen, Thomas, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Sagan
SP
82:Kittel, Greipel
81:Cavendish
80:Sagan, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Bouhanni, Demare, Modolo
Other Critisicims
Contador should be lower than 79 DH.He was bad in this years TdF Down hills.He was giving a few metres to Froome in descents.He also crashed in the descent of Col d'Allos
Kittel's REC should be very low.
Boonen's END should be lower
Froome 83 RES and Porte 82 RES are very overrated
Froome 81 ACC is also overrated.Contador's ACC can be 79 imo.But still higher than Froome
Bardet should be 81 DH imo
Hesjedal's REC should be 81 and Kruijswijk's REC should be 80
Couqard's REC should be high imo
Nibali's REC should be 81 imo
Edited by Forever the Best on 24-09-2015 13:00
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