Sure Stuyven's not exactly a world beater and only beat Bilbao, Reza and Sbaragli in his sprint at the Vuelta, so your stats for him are better than mine.
You both agree with Poljanski and Hansen and I was thinking something very similar.
I know this is a an age old issue, but are most people here happy with Sagan at 79 sprint or think he should be improved to 80, despite the fact he has a great ACC and hill stat?
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
As I said,Horner 2013 Angliru was faster than Contador 2008 Angliru.
In 2014 Dauphine he was preparing for Le Tour and was using the Schleck approach of only being prepared for 1 race and in 2015 he was way off form there.He was even behind Serge Pauwels,Eduardo Sepulveda etc.
The Schleck Fan wrote:
As I said,Horner 2013 Angliru was faster than Contador 2008 Angliru.
In 2014 Dauphine he was preparing for Le Tour and was using the Schleck approach of only being prepared for 1 race and in 2015 he was way off form there.He was even behind Serge Pauwels,Eduardo Sepulveda etc.
Contador is better climber than Nibali, that's obvious, but on this level, you can't put them with 2-3 pts of difference. The problem is fact, that 85 overall may be to low. If we had 99, than we could put Conta with 95 and Nibali with 93 and this will be fine. It's not possible to put rider with 82,5 or 81,5 so you need to compromise. Second problem is fact, 84 is to much stat, there's a too much difference between 83 to 84. With better ACC and ATT, Contador is still able to beat Nibali in mountains and wins GT's.
I don't know. Nibali is an enigma. Sometimes he's fantastic, but other times he's just... not good
But 2 points lower than Contador isn't justified. Actually personally I wouldn't even put Contador with the best climbers.
Froome & Quintana
small gap.
Contador, Nibali.
Landa Aru etc?
Ian Butler wrote:
I don't know. Nibali is an enigma. Sometimes he's fantastic, but other times he's just... not good
But 2 points lower than Contador isn't justified. Actually personally I wouldn't even put Contador with the best climbers.
Froome & Quintana
small gap.
Contador, Nibali.
Landa Aru etc?
I think.
In their best form it would be like this imo:
Contador
Quintana,Nibali&Froome
Others
Contador's fatigue from Giro along with his crash in Tour led to a bad Tour result.He also crashed in Giro
But for 2015
Quintana&Froome(worse recovery for Froome)(Both of them 83 MO)
Contador&Nibali(Both of them 82 MO)
Others
Edited by Forever the Best on 18-09-2015 16:44
Well in their best form, perhaps.
But the fact is that Contador isn't the same Contador as he was. He's still good. But head to head with Froome and Quintana, I don't think he can climb any faster than them. Even fresh face to face.
Though we can't be sure of that seeing how they didn't match up properly this season.
Tough call. Contador at the same as Froome and Quintana could happen but I don't think he'll ever win a GT again when Froome and Quintana are at the start line.
The Tour de France is not the only race in the world. Contador is at least as good as Froome and Quintana, last year he beat them big in every stage race, even after a fracture to the shin, this year he beat a very strong Astana team alone. Remember to Nibali, Landa, Aru and Froome has much stronger team, Quintana has Valverde and Contador is one man team, is a huge advantage in the real world and in PCM.
Perhaps. But winning stage races isn't only up to climbing.
This is purely about the climbing, and then Froome & Quintana are just better, I believe.
Contador has amazing tactics and insights, but pure uphill riding, I'm not sure he could follow Froome & Quintana (in a race where they're all three in the same shape)
In 2014 he had one of his finest forms heading to the Tour after a terrible 2013 season but crashed out badly but still managed to beat Froome in Vuelta
I hope he can bounce back at 2016 to get a 2009 or 2014 like form.Then he would be the biggest favourite imo.
Edited by Forever the Best on 18-09-2015 16:43
Ian Butler wrote:
Perhaps. But winning stage races isn't only up to climbing.
This is purely about the climbing, and then Froome & Quintana are just better, I believe.
Contador has amazing tactics and insights, but pure uphill riding, I'm not sure he could follow Froome & Quintana (in a race where they're all three in the same shape)
He destroyed Quintana in Lanciano in 2014 T-A.He beated Froome and Quintana in every single stage race last year as well.
On the 3rd week of a GT Froome is weaker than 1st and 2nd week so I am even thinking that Froome might be the worst of the Big 4 in climbing wise with everybody in peak form
