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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-07-2015 23:20
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The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles. |
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| simonthekiller |
Posted on 28-07-2015 00:04
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jonasfremming wrote:
I think Boasson Hagen needs an upgrade in sprint and Serge Pauwels needs an upgrade as well.
I'm agree for Pauwels' upgrade. He has lost a lot of time in stage 5 but he's a good climber with an excellent recovery. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 00:08
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I think Rohan Dennis need an upgrade in TT because he's got decent results this year |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 00:14
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Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 00:46
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them
Please keep in mind that cobbled stages can be weird. Tony was also dropped a few times, because he was misplaced at times. Froome just rode the race at the front. He just kept himself out of trouble.
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 01:00
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Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them
Please keep in mind that cobbled stages can be weird. Tony was also dropped a few times, because he was misplaced at times. Froome just rode the race at the front. He just kept himself out of trouble.
I understand but that won't happen in PCM if your cobble stats is too low even if you're in the front with teammates you'll get dropped to the back, the rider protecting the leader will follow the high pace in cobbles and your leader gets dropped. |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 28-07-2015 07:04
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This is too low maybe 63 is correct but 58... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-07-2015 07:17
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Sagan needs 85 in downhill and fighter after what he was doing this Tour, you all know it. 
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 07:26
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them
Yeah but also don't forget Conta had Giro in his legs and he wasn't too fresh, which caused bad positioning=almost being dropped. No matter how much you dislike Alberto and think the Giro is only an excuse, I can guarantee you it certainly isn't. Spoken in stat language the fatigue after the Giro is like dropping all your stats with 2/3 or even 4 points
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Edited by dark_x2012 on 28-07-2015 09:20
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 28-07-2015 07:38
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Sagan needs 85 in downhill and fighter after what he was doing this Tour, you all know it.
Agree
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 10:45
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williameco wrote:
mi humilde opinion es que en los stats estan equivocados claramente el mejor escalador es Froome SI TODOS ESTAN AL 100 %, otra cosa es la recuperación donde Quintana es mejor , tambien hay que ver que Froome tuvo mas desgaste ,simplemente como consejo para las database donde estan igualdos Froome , Nibali Contador y Quintana y eso no es real en montaña esta demostrado estando frescos todos Froome es imbatible uno o dos puntos por encima ,otra cosa es la recuperacion donde esta alguno por debajo
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 10:53
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jonasfremming wrote:
I think Boasson Hagen needs an upgrade in sprint and Serge Pauwels needs an upgrade as well.
Finallly a man who agrees With me |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 10:54
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nobeer wrote:
Jesleyh, i get your point here but i think you forgot that Martin had also problems with a beer cup in his chainwheel, cost him about 3 seconds  however I insist he must get an upgrade in DH. I mean, his supreme DH technique combined with his power makes him an outstanding DH rider. I saw him in many stages and classics how he neutralized attacks just with his power in the DHs.
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:00
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Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes,but the cobble stages in tour de france is just bullshit, its not any point With having them there, since riders like cancellara, terpstra, and vanmarce won't earn any sseconds, and wont since it's to short With cobblestone, since its only like 13 km, while in paris Roubaix its 52 km |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:03
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them
Please keep in mind that cobbled stages can be weird. Tony was also dropped a few times, because he was misplaced at times. Froome just rode the race at the front. He just kept himself out of trouble.
I understand but that won't happen in PCM if your cobble stats is too low even if you're in the front with teammates you'll get dropped to the back, the rider protecting the leader will follow the high pace in cobbles and your leader gets dropped.
I got 3rd i the cobble stage in tdf With contador |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:06
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Sagan needs 85 in downhill and fighter after what he was doing this Tour, you all know it. maybe 83-84in dh and 81-2 in fighter, but he doesent deerve that much in fighter since he always had a teammate or took it easy. Fighters is puching forward and forward while they have got no energy left
Edited by tobgunn123 on 28-07-2015 12:05
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:08
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dark_x2012 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
The thing is people read too much into these cobbled stages in the Tour. They're weird stages because riders like Thomas, Stannard and Boom (even though he won last year) have their main duty to protect their team leaders like Froome and Nibali on stages like this, so basically in game somebody like Stannard should be protecting Froome over the cobbles and when I played last years tour de France on PCM 14 I noticed that the computer AI had Stannard protecting Froome which was great AI in action, so even Froome with a poor cobble stat hardly lost any time. So if this is common place then the cobbled stat is not hugely important for the top GC guys anyway unless of course its really bad, because in real life a huge amount of riders with poor cobble stat in the game, don't really lose that much time.
For example a rider like Frank if he's the leader of the team should be protected by somebody like Chavanel, so he won't lose too much time, Rodriguez should be protected by somebody like Kristoff etc, It's only really Nibali of the big GT guys that is quite a bit better than the rest on cobbles.
Yes but don't forget that contador even with peter sagan protecting him he was still getting dropped and Quintana too was dropped too but they came back while froome with a teammate didn't loss any time and didn't got dropped same for nibali so it shows that Quintana and contador are clearly lower in cobble stats even with someone protecting them
Yeah but also don't forget Conta had Giro in his legs and he wasn't too fresh, which caused bad positioning=almost being dropped. No matter how much you dislike Alberto and think the Giro is only an excuse, I can guarantee you it certainly isn't. Spoken in stat language the fatigue after the Giro is like dropping all your stats with 2/3 or even 4 points
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| koningjantje |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:16
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Don't know if these points have been mentioned before, but i think this is quite wrong:
1. Barguil deserves 70+ downhill after what he showed in the Tour this year imo.
2. Pinot needs a downgrade in downhill
3. Mollema also showed very bad downhilling and should thus be downgraded
4. Barta deserves a little upgrade in climbing (from 69 to 70-72)
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 11:37
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 12:32
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Arberg just detryed your wishes.  Since Arberg is never right.
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