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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:39
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Frank is nothing more than a mediocre climber. Losing +4.30 on Saint Martin, +3 on Beille, +4 La Tousuirre and + 4 on Alpe. Nothing more than 77 is justified for Frank imo who also have been thrash all year, unlike some others |
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| williameco |
Posted on 27-07-2015 20:58
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mi humilde opinion es que en los stats estan equivocados claramente el mejor escalador es Froome SI TODOS ESTAN AL 100 %, otra cosa es la recuperación donde Quintana es mejor , tambien hay que ver que Froome tuvo mas desgaste ,simplemente como consejo para las database donde estan igualdos Froome , Nibali Contador y Quintana y eso no es real en montaña esta demostrado estando frescos todos Froome es imbatible uno o dos puntos por encima ,otra cosa es la recuperacion donde esta alguno por debajo |
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| Omloop |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:00
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williameco wrote:
mi humilde opinion es que en los stats estan equivocados claramente el mejor escalador es Froome SI TODOS ESTAN AL 100 %, otra cosa es la recuperación donde Quintana es mejor , tambien hay que ver que Froome tuvo mas desgaste ,simplemente como consejo para las database donde estan igualdos Froome , Nibali Contador y Quintana y eso no es real en montaña esta demostrado estando frescos todos Froome es imbatible uno o dos puntos por encima ,otra cosa es la recuperacion donde esta alguno por debajo
Could you write that in English and not Spanish? On this site we use English. |
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| Vali |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:01
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Riis123 wrote:
Frank is nothing more than a mediocre climber. Losing +4.30 on Saint Martin, +3 on Beille, +4 La Tousuirre and + 4 on Alpe. Nothing more than 77 is justified for Frank imo who also have been thrash all year, unlike some others
On a second thought I have to agree with you, 78 is probably still too much as well, 77 seems to be the best option.
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| nobeer |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:14
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Weird that Tom Dumoulin has 82 in prologue, while Tony Martin has 80. Also, why has Martin so low Downhill stats, he is clearly one of the best downhill riders, his ACC and COB are also ridiciously low. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:35
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Frank is a typical 77 mtn stat climber because when his form is good he can hang in there and try and go for a top 10 in a GT if not then he's more likely to finish 10-20 overall. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 21:43
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nobeer wrote:
Weird that Tom Dumoulin has 82 in prologue, while Tony Martin has 80. Also, why has Martin so low Downhill stats, he is clearly one of the best downhill riders, his ACC and COB are also ridiciously low.
Tony needs a slight COB upgrade, and a small DH upgrade. His prologue sucks clearly, so 80-81 is alright.
Tonys ACC should be damn low, tbh. His attack on stage 4 was not really explosive.
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| nobeer |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:01
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If you become 2nd in a TdF prologue, you can't be really bad, i guess. Just cant figure out why Dumoulin should get higher stats there. In DH he easily deserves 77, i dont know why he got so low stats there. His weakness is ACC but 63 is too low. His attack on stage 4 would be hardly possible in the game with his low ACC stats. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:09
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nobeer wrote:
If you become 2nd in a TdF prologue, you can't be really bad, i guess. Just cant figure out why Dumoulin should get higher stats there. In DH he easily deserves 77, i dont know why he got so low stats there. His weakness is ACC but 63 is too low. His attack on stage 4 would be hardly possible in the game with his low ACC stats.
He has the highest FL stat. Also the highest TT stat. Since the Prologue did go over 14.1km(pretty long) the TT stat would be important as well.
DH is quite difficult for him. He is a good downhiller, but 77 is just crazy. 75 should do it.
The attack without his ACC stat? PCM sadly isn't realistic. Everyone would have just counter attacked him in PCM. But in real life Sky "gifted" him the win. An upgrade should be made, but 68 is max.
And about Dum(b)oulin? He has a low FL(74?) so he should get a high PRL.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:18
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Keep in mind 14km TT is not a prologue.
TT almost weights as much as PRL there.
Tony Martin has never been really top class at very short TTs.
However, Dumoulin had some great short TTs all over '14 and '15.
Also keep in mind Dumoulin got hold up a bit in the last turn of the TT. Just a few seconds, but he would be around Martin's time without it too.
Looking at the stats, Martin should be about as good as Tom in the TT(bit less PRL, but more TT) so Tony is be exactly where he should be.
Beside that taking only 1 TT result in account for stats is never a good thing to do, there's more than just the TdF.
Also Martin attacks on power rather than acceleration.
Oh, Dumoulin doesn't have low FL and FL does not matter in TTs anyway, Paul 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:24
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Well Tony Martin has the highest resistance stat in the game, so the best way to utilize this is to put in a short attack and then put him on high dot, as it will last longer than other riders and then settle him down to a comfortable speed.
This is how Tony Martin should perform in the game and it's how I've attacked with him. |
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| nobeer |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:37
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Jesleyh, i get your point here but i think you forgot that Martin had also problems with a beer cup in his chainwheel, cost him about 3 seconds  however I insist he must get an upgrade in DH. I mean, his supreme DH technique combined with his power makes him an outstanding DH rider. I saw him in many stages and classics how he neutralized attacks just with his power in the DHs. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:39
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Well, okay, but still, with his 83TT he'd be the main stage favourite(along with Dumoulin) in the PCM Utrecht ITT stage as well
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:46
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78 for Frank is good i think.
Same for Talansky |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:46
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Jesleyh wrote:
Oh, Dumoulin doesn't have low FL and FL does not matter in TTs anyway, Paul
Pah.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:55
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Talansky is at least 1-2 points better than Frank. Talansky in 2014 was 79 and this year 78, so higher than Frank should be. |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:55
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And 58 cobblestones for Frank is clearly underrated.
He deserves 64-65 |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 27-07-2015 22:56
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R_U_MINE wrote:
And 58 cobblestones for Frank is clearly underrated.
He deserves 64-65
What is this the Frank fanclub? |
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| R_U_MINE |
Posted on 27-07-2015 23:04
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Ahaha yes maybe but i think this is underrated...
No? |
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| jonasfremming |
Posted on 27-07-2015 23:12
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I think Boasson Hagen needs an upgrade in sprint and Serge Pauwels needs an upgrade as well. |
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