Can anybody give me any hints on what is more likely to make your breakaway succeed? Especially on a flat stage. I've never won any race that has a sprint finish, and I'd really like to change this, but I have no idea how as I never manage to stay away. No trouble winning a mountain stage fairly often but I just can't beat the peloton on the flat.
Same for me. I can win a sprint if I have a good sprinter but so far I have not once seen a breakaway group succeed (if I have a rider in it).
Also, in simulated races I think it's almost impossible to become a part of a breakaway group, no matter what instructions you give (pre-race tactics).
I've won flat stages as a baroudeur, attacking from a long way out. When the peloton let you ride, simply slow down enough to make your rider rest up a bit so his bars are all full, then ride his limit and the closer you get, pressure him a little more. Ideally, both his bars will empty when he crosses the line. Avoid using the attack button, but only the effort so he rides like Froome, not killing himself in the attempt.
In a GC pro cyclist career, I won the giro in my 3rd season (1st time riding it). I finished top 10 on 7 stages, never won any. Yates, Aru and the last guy competing simply wore themselves down attempting to win stages, while I just won time by keeping my energy levels up. It wasn't flashy, it wasn't a style I appreciate personally, but it works and I have a career to take care of.
I've won quite a few races in small breakaways but it's not easy. Obviously key factors are sprint and acc of your rider to take into account and to know the level of the riders that are with you, for example it's no good carrying a much better sprinter to the line but if there is another rider in the group that is your level in the sprint then get on his wheel for the breakaway sprint.
The problem though is getting this far, because not only do you have to worry about the peloton catching you but riders in the breakaway attacking as well. Like in real life the best breakaway is one that works together so always take your turn on the front, but if the breakaway is near the end of the race and if it looks like working then try and miss a few turns to save as much energy as you can.
Something you should never do is use the counter-attack when a breakaway rider attacks because if you do this a few times it drains so much energy, better to go on dot and gradually pull them back. It's really like a game of poker because there will be riders in the breakaway that won't want to work either and you have to think do you want to carry them along.
If you're a strong flat rider but with a poor sprint then it's better to try and drop your companions several kms before the finish, if you're a good sprinter then hang in there.
Hope this helps, but by using this I've managed to win from quite a few flattish breakaways and I play on hard level. If the stage is super flat like Tour of Qatar then it's almost mission impossible because the sprinters' teams will always catch you.
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I've won flat stages as a baroudeur, attacking from a long way out. When the peloton let you ride, simply slow down enough to make your rider rest up a bit so his bars are all full, then ride his limit and the closer you get, pressure him a little more. Ideally, both his bars will empty when he crosses the line. Avoid using the attack button, but only the effort so he rides like Froome, not killing himself in the attempt.
In a GC pro cyclist career, I won the giro in my 3rd season (1st time riding it). I finished top 10 on 7 stages, never won any. Yates, Aru and the last guy competing simply wore themselves down attempting to win stages, while I just won time by keeping my energy levels up. It wasn't flashy, it wasn't a style I appreciate personally, but it works and I have a career to take care of.
How high effort do you recommend using for those hilly/mountain stages?
It is possible, but it makes the game unrealistic.
On hard, I have managed to send 3 riders to the breakaway. (Tactic of Europcar)
First kilometers 2 of my riders relay at the same pace as-breakaway.
The gap was 45 secs and it left 16 km's. I have made a sprint train in the group of breakaway in high effort and I win the stage with milimeters.
So its actually hard, but in real life it is true that peloton don't give any chances to the break.
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emre99 wrote:
It is possible, but it makes the game unrealistic.
On hard, I have managed to send 3 riders to the breakaway. (Tactic of Europcar)
First kilometers 2 of my riders relay at the same pace as-breakaway.
The gap was 45 secs and it left 16 km's. I have made a sprint train in the group of breakaway in high effort and I win the stage with milimeters.
So its actually hard, but in real life it is true that peloton don't give any chances to the break.
The problem with this is for a long breakaway, is that the other riders in the breakaway won't work with you as they know you have more than one rider.
I think the profile and the wind are quite important, too. If there are some hills in the end or one realy steep climb in the last 20 km it could disturb the sprint trains of the favorites and let the break get away with the win. Same for very windy stages. Sometimes the peloton goes very fast to get the break but this causes splits and some domestiques fall behind so the sprinter teams in the front don't have enough man power to catch the break.
This works good for me. The rider(s) in the break has to be strong of course (e.q. good in hills or good against strong wind) and have some good daily form. As harder the race as easier it is to win from a breakaway.
emre99 wrote:
It is possible, but it makes the game unrealistic.
On hard, I have managed to send 3 riders to the breakaway. (Tactic of Europcar)
First kilometers 2 of my riders relay at the same pace as-breakaway.
The gap was 45 secs and it left 16 km's. I have made a sprint train in the group of breakaway in high effort and I win the stage with milimeters.
So its actually hard, but in real life it is true that peloton don't give any chances to the break.
The problem with this is for a long breakaway, is that the other riders in the breakaway won't work with you as they know you have more than one rider.
Doesn't AI work on their tempo even though thou have 1+ riders? I know, even if sometimes in Paris-Roubaix Cancellara is in E1, I'm Sagan and with Terpstra in E2 and Terpstra doesnt work, correct me if I am wrong, please.
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Doesn't AI work on their tempo even though thou have 1+ riders? I know, even if sometimes in Paris-Roubaix Cancellara is in E1, I'm Sagan and with Terpstra in E2 and Terpstra doesnt work, correct me if I am wrong, please.
The favoorites in the end of a race work different then the guys in a breakaway. In a breakaway it depends on the number of rider in the break. If there are more than 3 others they will work with two guys of your team. I don't know the the number exatly but with eight or nine other guys you can send three riders in the break.
