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| Wilier |
Posted on 21-11-2009 13:21
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Mirko Selvaggi ---> Astana
And Team Sky confirms the transfers of Cioni and Vigano.
And according to l'Equipe Wiggins finally signed for Team Sky.
https://www.lequip...z-sky.html
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 21-11-2009 15:22
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CrueTrue wrote:
Sadly, I can't find any indications on that. The average speed is still the same, the average watt output is also the same, and we still see weird, unexplainable blood values from Armstrong 
I had a thought last night. Saying that the watt output is still the same and average speed is still the same, is that "old man",outdated thinking. There are plausible explanations for this: Better equipment, better roads, better diets for the riders, more scientific training, riders specializes their training, riders targeting certain races, riders racing less, all riders on a team wearing radios (and not just team leaders) which allow for quicker reaction times to chase breaks.
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| aavf |
Posted on 21-11-2009 15:26
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At least Wiggo's blood values aren't suspicious like Lance's "I'm doped values".
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-11-2009 15:55
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Sadly, I can't find any indications on that. The average speed is still the same, the average watt output is also the same, and we still see weird, unexplainable blood values from Armstrong
I had a thought last night. Saying that the watt output is still the same and average speed is still the same, is that "old man",outdated thinking. There are plausible explanations for this: Better equipment, better roads, better diets for the riders, more scientific training, riders specializes their training, riders targeting certain races, riders racing less, all riders on a team wearing radios (and not just team leaders) and better doping which allow for quicker reaction times to chase breaks.
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| ursul |
Posted on 21-11-2009 16:10
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Sean Yates ---> Team Sky
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| Roman |
Posted on 21-11-2009 16:17
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ursul wrote:
Sean Yates ---> Team Sky
As DS. 
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| ursul |
Posted on 22-11-2009 00:45
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Roman wrote:
ursul wrote:
Sean Yates ---> Team Sky
As DS.
oups, I have just read the title, not the news 
When Nothing goes rigth, go left...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-11-2009 03:02
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Sadly, I can't find any indications on that. The average speed is still the same, the average watt output is also the same, and we still see weird, unexplainable blood values from Armstrong
I had a thought last night. Saying that the watt output is still the same and average speed is still the same, is that "old man",outdated thinking. There are plausible explanations for this: Better equipment, better roads, better diets for the riders, more scientific training, riders specializes their training, riders targeting certain races, riders racing less, all riders on a team wearing radios (and not just team leaders) which allow for quicker reaction times to chase breaks.
In 2006, they had all that, yet all the top riders were using a certain Mr. Fuentes as their "training advisor".
I don't know enough about the subject. The only thing that I can categorically deny is the thing about equipment. We had a discussion about it a while ago, and back then, the conclusion was that from c. 20 years to now, the effect of better equipment could barely be seen on the wattage output.
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| niconico |
Posted on 22-11-2009 03:03
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What are you doing up at this hour?
Actually I think I know. Then again, I could be way off
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-11-2009 03:08
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I think you know why
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-11-2009 16:16
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Not very surprisingly, Vaughters deny the rumour.
Edited by CrueTrue on 22-11-2009 16:43
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 22-11-2009 16:25
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CrueTrue wrote:
Not very surprisingly, Vaughters deny the rumour.
And now apparantely, Wiggins has told Vaughters he wants to go to Sky: https://news.bbc.c...372698.stm
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 22-11-2009 16:28
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*waits for Vaughters to deny all this*
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| Wilier |
Posted on 22-11-2009 21:14
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And the Wiggins-Team Sky soap continues...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-11-2009 01:53
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It certainly does.
I can't really see Wiggins coming out of this. As long as Garmin doesn't have a backup for Wiggins, there's no chance they will let him go.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 23-11-2009 03:27
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quick question, does anyone know of a list (or can give an in-depth summary) of the good (or decent) riders still left on the market. I pretty much know where everyone is going, but its been so long since all the contract renewals were announced that I've forgotten pretty much everybody.
Also, anyone know the status of Dominique Rollin and Cervelo?
Edit: a quick look at his facebook page confirms he is still at Cervelo
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-11-2009 09:06
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Wilier wrote:
And the Wiggins-Team Sky soap continues...
F**k ..I dont like this already. Come on guys speak up!..this is not D-day planing.
Why they ned to make news from nothing again..and again.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-11-2009 12:49
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Lövkvist says that the team is still negotiating with Wiggins.
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| kebowers |
Posted on 23-11-2009 22:25
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I think at this point Wiggins need to go. Its pretty clear he wants to go, according to reports. So how does JV motivate him to be at his best? How does the rest of the team feel? At this point its about HOW MUCH Garmin can get for him... maybe thats what all the drama is about.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-11-2009 07:43
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I see your point. Having an unsatisfied employee isn't optimal for neither the employee nor the employer.
I hope you're right. At this point, Team Sky is pretty mediocre GT-wise, but with Wiggins there, they have an acceptable team. Garmin still has Vandevelde and a Zabriskie who's seemingly becoming better at climbing from year to year.
We'll see 
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