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p3druh
Smoothie wrote:
issoisso wrote:
This was always about eurosport's decision being idiotic because they can get the rights for the CI cheap and it'll have far more viewers.


And the reality is - it won't!

Shock You're kidding right?

Let's have a look at this forum as an example. There are about 500(if that) people here that will tune in to Eurosport just to watch the track wc. There around 1000 that will tune in to see the Vuelta a Castilla e Leon. Truth is that you have a base of viewers that will follow any road cycling event no matter what it is. Then you have the big events like the WC, GT and classics that attract more people. The same goes for track. Except the base for track is like 100 guys and the base for road cycling is like 10 times bigger (yes, for every person you find that will watch any track event I can find 10 that would like to see any road race). The rise of track viewers during the world cup won't be anywhere near as big enough to cover the number of people wanting to watch the CI.

Seeing as how the rights for the CI are much cheaper than the ones for the WC and that they would have a bigger audience, you can't help but feel that this was a bit of a poor judgement by Eurosport.


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Just give it up, p3druh. The guy's from Britain.

 
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Let's wait and see the viewing numbers after the weekend.


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ringo182
i still think the track WC will atract more viewers. any world champs will automatically attract more people because it's the world champs.

Who watches athletics? no-one. As soon as the olympics are on everyone watches it.

who watches tennis? not many. as soon as it's a grand slam (esp wimbledon in britain) everyone watches it.

i don't watch or like rugby, but i watch the world cup. i don't watch snooker, but every year when the world champs is on till about 1 in the morning i find myself unable to switch off.

it's not because i'm british. it's a fact that world championships in any sport attracts more viewers, more sponsorship and more medai coverage. in britain, if cavendish won a stage of the TdF then you wouldn't hear anything about it in the news. if he became world champion it would be in the news, because it's the world championships.

isso, i believe your in portugal? if a portuguese rider won the CI would it be in the news over there? if he won the world track sprint championship would it get more coverage. i could be completely wrong and am looking at this from a biased british outlook but i think the track WC's are more important and so deserve the coverage.

 
rjc_43
Maybe thats so with other sports, but I actually find myself bored to sleep with track, so I'd prefer CI anyday. Even if, as a Brit, we do rather well on track. Doing rather well is a bit boring every so often.


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issoisso
Witness the awesome power that internet forums have for sidetracking discussions hopelessly away from the point :lol:

I wonder if this goes on for a couple more hours if we can turn this into a Kant vs Nietschze deathmatch Pfft


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ringo182
why's it gone off point? it started as a discussion on why the WC got presidense over the CI and that is what it's still about. at least thats what i've been talking about for the last hour:lol:

 
p3druh
ringo182 wrote:
isso, i believe your in portugal? if a portuguese rider won the CI would it be in the news over there? if he won the world track sprint championship would it get more coverage. i could be completely wrong and am looking at this from a biased british outlook but i think the track WC's are more important and so deserve the coverage.

Nope. CI win would have a bigger coverage. By far.


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issoisso
ringo182 wrote:
why's it gone off point? it started as a discussion on why the WC got presidense over the CI and that is what it's still about. at least thats what i've been talking about for the last hour:lol:


Look at the thread title Pfft

I'm not criticising anyone, I just think it's funny.

p3druh wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
isso, i believe your in portugal? if a portuguese rider won the CI would it be in the news over there? if he won the world track sprint championship would it get more coverage. i could be completely wrong and am looking at this from a biased british outlook but i think the track WC's are more important and so deserve the coverage.

Nope. CI win would have a bigger coverage. By far.


Quite. If someone here won the track worlds in some discipline, it would be like when that guy was world champion in archery. No mention on TV and a small text at the bottom of last pages of one of the specialist daily sports newspapers.


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ringo182
maybe it's just britain then where road racing is largely ignored in the media.

 
issoisso
For comparison, when Paulinho won a Vuelta stage in 2006, the show whose british equivalent would be the six o'clock news or something, gave him about 3-4mins of stage highlights+interview...in a show with about 45 mins of news or so.

When he came second in the olympics road race.....well, you can imagine Pfft


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Immortal
This is a typical "my father has a bigger P-Nice than your`s" discussion.

Eurosport should choose what they show by two criterias and those two criterias only:
1. How many are going to watch it? and
2. How much is it going to cost us if we show it?

If one of these races is supperior at both of these criterias, then Eurosport did something stupid, I rest my case.


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ringo182
Immortal wrote:
This is a typical "my father has a bigger P-Nice than your`s" discussion.

Eurosport should choose what they show by two criterias and those two criterias only:
1. How many are going to watch it? and
2. How much is it going to cost us if we show it?

If one of these races is supperior at both of these criterias, then Eurosport did something stupid, I rest my case.


but you don't know which has the biggest number of viewers or cost's the most. so how can you rest your case with no evidence? case dismissed:lol:

 
rjc_43
Exactly the same can be said for your argument ringo, so you have no case either for the WC.


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ringo182
well i'm using evidence from viewing figures in other sports to support my arguement that because it's the World Championships the figures will natarally be higher then a normal cycling event. As will the media coverage. i don't think that can be disputed. In England how many people watch and England Football international? then how many watch if it's an England world cup game? twice as many? in the last world cup the england game viewing figures were all in the top 10 viewing figures for that year.

in cycling magazines across europe next week. what will get more coverage? the track WC or the CI? in some countires the CI might get more coverage. but i'd be willing to bet that in the majority the Track WC get more coverage. because it's the world championships.


i know i keep repeting my self but i think the WC's are alot more important then some are trying to make out.

 
ringo182
also, if track is unknown in so many countries then why has a trqack mode been included on PCM? they wouldn't just put it on with no demand for it.

 
rjc_43
It's not that its unknown, its just that its far less exciting watching 2/6/20 blokes race around a circle for max 30/60 minutes compared to a 4/5/6 hour race of 120+ guys race along different countryside, where anything can happen if any one of those 120 guys decides to attack.

And you really can't compare track cycling to football, especially considering football is Englands favourite sport, and cycling, well, I doubt most people know more than the name Chris Hoy.


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ringo182 wrote:
well i'm using evidence from viewing figures in other sports



Congratulations. You lost the argument. You cant compare other sports to cycling. You cant compare any sport to any different kind of sport. The only way you can compare CI to the track WC is to study the numbers over the last few years.

Also, Isso, Kant was a bloody idiot Wink


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ringo182
rjc_43 wrote:
It's not that its unknown, its just that its far less exciting watching 2/6/20 blokes race around a circle for max 30/60 minutes compared to a 4/5/6 hour race of 120+ guys race along different countryside, where anything can happen if any one of those 120 guys decides to attack.

And you really can't compare track cycling to football, especially considering football is Englands favourite sport, and cycling, well, I doubt most people know more than the name Chris Hoy.


i would disagree. road cycling can be quite boring to the point that the comentaors start talking about local cheese and the camera man starts showing some french manor house on top of a hill. to a person who doesn't like cycling who is flicking through, 9 times out of 10 they will switch straight off again. track cycling can be exciting to the casual watcher with no real interest because it's race, result, race, result, race, result. it's easy to follow. if you switch on halfway through a road race sometimes the comentator doesn't even know whats happening.

and yes football is popular in england. but the same can be said for every country in europe. i would bet that in world cup year a countries top 10 viewing figures are highly effected by their teams world cup games. there is naturally more interest in world championship events because it's the best of the best.

 
ringo182
Waghlon wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
well i'm using evidence from viewing figures in other sports



Congratulations. You lost the argument. You cant compare other sports to cycling. You cant compare any sport to any different kind of sport. The only way you can compare CI to the track WC is to study the numbers over the last few years.

Also, Isso, Kant was a bloody idiot Wink


of course you can generalise from other sports. all world championships in any sport will have more media coverage and interest then other events of the same sport. why would cycling be any different?

the only event i can think of that has more media coverage then it's WC is the TdF, and maybe the olympics but thats just a world championship under a different name.

 
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