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Posted on 26-11-2024 09:28
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:26
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
That's what he did at CSC too. He failed miserably then, despite being extremely highly rated.
Think of Rasmus Guldhammer right now. He can't possibly bust and become a crap rider, can he?
Well, Pedersen "couldn't" either.
Corollary: be very careful about hyping youngsters.
I don't think you can even establish that corollary without mentioning Remmert Wielinga...
Yaroslav "Eddy Merckx v2.0" Popovych
Can't think of a better example.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:26
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Waghlon wrote:
Well Rasmus Guldhammer. Wont say he cant go on to do big things in the future. But he's going to at least two big breakthroughs to get even remotely close to hit the world elite. First he needs to prove that he can even ride with on a ProTour team. THEN he needs to actually do well at that level too, and thats a whole 'nother breakthrough as well.
5-10 years. Then maybe we will see him in the ProTour. And thats a huuuuuuuge maybe.
You mean the Rasmus Guldhammer who's joining Team Columbia next season?
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:28
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Waghlons memory don't go further back than a few weeks 
BenBarnes wrote:
Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:29
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Blob blob im a goldfish.
EDIT: Besides, with Brian Holm around him, he can only hope to master the dreaded danish accent of english. And then maybe some relaying skills.
Edited by Waghlon on 29-07-2009 22:31
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:29
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issoisso wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
That's what he did at CSC too. He failed miserably then, despite being extremely highly rated.
Think of Rasmus Guldhammer right now. He can't possibly bust and become a crap rider, can he?
Well, Pedersen "couldn't" either.
Corollary: be very careful about hyping youngsters.
I don't think you can even establish that corollary without mentioning Remmert Wielinga...
Yaroslav "Eddy Merckx v2.0" Popovych
Can't think of a better example.
I don't know, Popo didn't bomb, he just never became as good as anyone thought. Although he may not be Eddy Merckx, he's a very good rider, and is just waiting to be inducted into the Damiano Cunego All-Stars after everyone else shows up to the centennial Tour and he has to face down Jakob Fulsang and Igor Anton for the Vuelta win 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:31
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Okay then.
Valentino China.
Beat that
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:33
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issoisso wrote:
Okay then.
Valentino China.
Beat that
Just looked him up.
I can't.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:36
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Okay then.
Valentino China.
Beat that
Just looked him up.
I can't.
He won junior WC in front of Basso and Di Luca in 1995. Turned pro in 1998 for Saeco he retired in 2001
For aditional info check this: https://www.cyclingwebsite.net/coureur...eurid=1213
Edited by schleck93 on 29-07-2009 22:38
BenBarnes wrote:
Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:39
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is this the guy who won the junior worlds ahead of basso turned pro, then back to elite, then retired and said it was all because he stopped taking drugs and couldn't compete
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:40
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He dominated junior categories. Search youtube, you'll find a bucketload of videos of youth categories of him beating his big rivals of the time: Nocentini, Di Luca, Basso and Pinotti.
He went pro and decided to ride clean from then on. Needless to say he did absolutely nothing whatsoever in any race after that. He went back to amateurs in 2001 and retired in 2002.
He works in construction now, and named Nocentini, Di Luca, Basso and others as dopers during their youth days. Nobody paid any attention to him.
Here we are many years later, Basso has been suspended, Di Luca will soon be, and Nocentini got off on a technicality after he was found to be in posession of drugs at the Giro years ago.
*sarcasm*
I wonder if he was right about those three
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:42
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yet people still believe in cycling
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:44
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Why shouldn't they? It exists, doesn't it?
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:50
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ah surely you jest. it's just a better version of pcm
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:55
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Without the x8, which is really needed sometimes.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-07-2009 22:58
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yeah, cyanide should do something about that. or plakker
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 29-07-2009 23:57
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x256 plz
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 30-07-2009 00:04
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And back to topic.
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| kadel |
Posted on 30-07-2009 01:25
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btw, offtopic haha. but does anyone know if this gighen77 over at the Saxo Bank forum really was Valentino China or what?
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-07-2009 11:05
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issoisso wrote:
He dominated junior categories. Search youtube, you'll find a bucketload of videos of youth categories of him beating his big rivals of the time: Nocentini, Di Luca, Basso and Pinotti.
He went pro and decided to ride clean from then on. Needless to say he did absolutely nothing whatsoever in any race after that. He went back to amateurs in 2001 and retired in 2002.
He works in construction now, and named Nocentini, Di Luca, Basso and others as dopers during their youth days. Nobody paid any attention to him.
Here we are many years later, Basso has been suspended, Di Luca will soon be, and Nocentini got off on a technicality after he was found to be in posession of drugs at the Giro years ago.
*sarcasm*
I wonder if he was right about those three
Well yeah, even I became carefull with hyping youngsters now. Vansummeren 2nd in the worlds, now no more than a helper.
Markus Fothen world champion ITT espoirs, 4th at world road, 2nd in white jersey.. Now a mediocre rider.
The eastern europeans like Grabovsky who won a lot and became world champion, only never to break through. Pieter Weening who was 2nd at the U23 ranking, did a very good year as neo pro and 2nd year pro, and then never really improved on that level (even got slightly worse)
Niels Scheuneman, 2nd in the world ITT both juniors and espoirs. Never did anything at the pro's, went to Krolstone (a dutch ct team) and then even couldnt compete there anymore -> retired
Kai Reus, world champion juniors, won even more races than Thomas Dekker and Robert Gesink put together at the espoirs, but literally fell deep after 6 months as a pro, and is now still trying to get back on his old level after coming from really far..
Need more examples? (no, not Thomas Dekker, he was actually living up to the hype until he was getting caught)
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-07-2009 11:32
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In other news, todays Tour of Denmark stage starts in Aars 
This is hilarious to dutch speakers. It literally means..well. Butthole
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