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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 12-06-2016 18:17
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I think Boasson Hagen with 72 in mountain and 77 in SPR its enough
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 12-06-2016 18:48
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Contadope 81 mountain.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 12-06-2016 18:52
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Let's wait for the Tour, shall we?
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 12-06-2016 21:47
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If Nibali has 81 after winning Giro, Contador should have 80 after finishing 5th in Dauphinèè behind Martin, Bardet and Porte.
Obviously he shouldn't have 80, just like Nibali shouldn't have 81 
Just joking, i don't wanna be polemic 
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 12-06-2016 21:52
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marcoplv95 wrote:
If Nibali has 81 after winning Giro, Contador should have 80 after finishing 5th in Dauphinèè behind Martin, Bardet and Porte.
Obviously he shouldn't have 80, just like Nibali shouldn't have 81
Just joking, i don't wanna be polemic
Well, Nibali was really struggeling over 2 from 3 weeks. Contador lost against Porte(who is underrated) and finished behind guys, who are better on hills, and those stages were mostly hilly. Also Nibali has peaked for his event, whilst Contador didn't.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 12-06-2016 22:46
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Contadope should probably also had a mountain stats before TDF starts ? Also it is surely appropriate to look at the Giro and the Tour last year? Where Landa, Aru, Valverde and Nibali beat him in the mountains + Froome and Quintana much better than all the others.
Edited by Arberg27 on 12-06-2016 23:05
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 13-06-2016 06:11
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Or should there just be an empty field by Contadope mountain stats before TDF start ? which corresponds to 0?
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| King-Nibali |
Posted on 13-06-2016 16:14
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Please upgrade Sagan again. He's a beast!!!
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Posted on 23-11-2024 05:45
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-06-2016 17:48
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Upgrade him in what? He's pretty much one of the best all round riders in the game.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-06-2016 19:11
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Well he should be the best all-round rider in the game
But I agree, he doesn't necessarily need stat upgrade, he does plenty in the game.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-06-2016 19:26
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Ian Butler wrote:
Well he should be the best all-round rider in the game
But I agree, he doesn't necessarily need stat upgrade, he does plenty in the game.
The problem I find in game with him especially in the classics, is that after attacking from the main peloton (which is good) he then seldom rides with the leading group of favourites and keeps on trying to attack solo (which is not good) as he uses up so much energy and then loses the sprint, which given his sprint stats would probably win.
Still tinkering with him to try and find the solution to this problem.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-06-2016 19:33
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Well he should be the best all-round rider in the game
But I agree, he doesn't necessarily need stat upgrade, he does plenty in the game.
The problem I find in game with him especially in the classics, is that after attacking from the main peloton (which is good) he then seldom rides with the leading group of favourites and keeps on trying to attack solo (which is not good) as he uses up so much energy and then loses the sprint, which given his sprint stats would probably win.
Still tinkering with him to try and find the solution to this problem.
Do you mean he did in E3? 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-06-2016 20:56
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Ollfardh wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Well he should be the best all-round rider in the game
But I agree, he doesn't necessarily need stat upgrade, he does plenty in the game.
The problem I find in game with him especially in the classics, is that after attacking from the main peloton (which is good) he then seldom rides with the leading group of favourites and keeps on trying to attack solo (which is not good) as he uses up so much energy and then loses the sprint, which given his sprint stats would probably win.
Still tinkering with him to try and find the solution to this problem.
Do you mean he did in E3?
Well at E3 he did most of the pulling and was too tired in the end to beat Kwiat.
What I mean is in game, after initiating the attacks of the favourites where for example ypu could have a leading group of riders like Sagan, Cancellara, Stannard, Boonen and Vanmarcke. It makes no sense for Sagan to waste energy constantly attacking these guys and using energy because the game AI should recognize that he would nearly always beat these riders in a sprint at the end. If for example he was just riding these riders off his wheel then that would be ok, but trying to attack them two or three times before the finish is not.
One of the solutions is to lower his FS to stop him doing this, but the problem with that is, that it would ruin the type of rider that he is which is an attacking one. Most high stat riders anyway attack near the end of a big classic like Cancellara does regardless of their FS, but Sagan does it when it makes no sense especially when he's putting in two or three attacks on these riders.
I'm sure somewhere in the main stats, RES, STA and FS there is a possible solution to this behaviour problem, personally I think the AI is the issue in this situation though.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 07:43
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Flat 81, COB 81, Hill 77, DES 85
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 07:56
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Well he should be the best all-round rider in the game
But I agree, he doesn't necessarily need stat upgrade, he does plenty in the game.
The problem I find in game with him especially in the classics, is that after attacking from the main peloton (which is good) he then seldom rides with the leading group of favourites and keeps on trying to attack solo (which is not good) as he uses up so much energy and then loses the sprint, which given his sprint stats would probably win.
Still tinkering with him to try and find the solution to this problem.
Do you mean he did in E3?
Well at E3 he did most of the pulling and was too tired in the end to beat Kwiat.
What I mean is in game, after initiating the attacks of the favourites where for example ypu could have a leading group of riders like Sagan, Cancellara, Stannard, Boonen and Vanmarcke. It makes no sense for Sagan to waste energy constantly attacking these guys and using energy because the game AI should recognize that he would nearly always beat these riders in a sprint at the end. If for example he was just riding these riders off his wheel then that would be ok, but trying to attack them two or three times before the finish is not.
One of the solutions is to lower his FS to stop him doing this, but the problem with that is, that it would ruin the type of rider that he is which is an attacking one. Most high stat riders anyway attack near the end of a big classic like Cancellara does regardless of their FS, but Sagan does it when it makes no sense especially when he's putting in two or three attacks on these riders.
I'm sure somewhere in the main stats, RES, STA and FS there is a possible solution to this behaviour problem, personally I think the AI is the issue in this situation though. Sagan always attack
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 14-06-2016 14:26
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Try to slodwon a little bit his Fighter stat and resistance, did you try Tafiolmo? With low resistance he will probably attack less, for some riders will be very nice if cyanide add some more stats like consistency and so on.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-06-2016 15:36
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Jorge14 wrote:
Try to slodwon a little bit his Fighter stat and resistance, did you try Tafiolmo? With low resistance he will probably attack less, for some riders will be very nice if cyanide add some more stats like consistency and so on.
Res is not really the way to go, because when a rider like Sagan does attack his high RES combined with his other stats is what should make him hard to catch. If Sagan were the type of rider to just follow then that might be an option, but as he's an aggressive rider it's not really viable. The lowering of the FS is a better option imo but before trying any of this better to wait until PCM16 and the first db for that, as we can see if there are any real changes in the stat matrix.
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 16-06-2016 09:33
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Another thing i look, Yauheni Hutarovich with 68hills, isnt too much for him?
He is older and dont have capacity to still manage to drop some hills, i think that 68 seems too higher for his recent results, a 64hill be nice, with 68 he have a great advantage in relation to other sprints that climb the hills much better than him, Sam Bennet has 68 for example, and now on Dauphiné in the stage aru win he dropp the hill with the favourites, Hutarovich will be dropped 
Also 66Mountain for Ledanois is too much, is more a puncheur, 62 seems fine and too end the backups of Loubet are especially low, he isnt have a good year but in 2015 he was very good and need a upgrade on backup, is especially an attacker and with 63res he will not manage to win with some breaks or late attacks
Sorry for my bad english
Edited by Jorge14 on 16-06-2016 09:41
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 16-06-2016 09:51
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This thread is closed as of now. Please continue the discussion in the thread in the PCM16 section of this forum.
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