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Cyclo-Cross: A New Dawn | END
Ian Butler
UCI Ranking is reset to 0 at the start of the year, yes. So winner of the first race will be the first leader in the UCI Ranking.

I meant I had gotten the question about how the starting position would be done for race 2 Wink
To summarize starting positions:

Every row counts 10 riders (in almost all races).
Races 1 - 3: Based on UCI Number (found in the final season preview)
Races 4 - final race: Based on UCI Ranking (so for race 4 their position will be based on their efforts of the first 3 races)

 
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TheManxMissile
It's just a conspiracy by the european elitists to keep the Americans as far back as possible for as long as possible Rolling Eyes


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Ian Butler
Those UCI fools will do anything to keep the Americans down! Angry

To be fair now, this rule is actually extremely kind on the newcomers. In real life, it's decided by their ranking but it doesn't reset at the start of the season.
Now in the game, the riders get 3 (different) profiles to move up and score some UCI points. With some skill and a bit of luck, they're in 2nd row position by Hobart Wink

Either way, I'm still not very sure on the matter. I'll keep it like this but anyone with a better idea for next season, let me know. Another idea I had (but less kind on new riders) is to only change positions twice in a season: at the start, based on final UCI Ranking of last season and mid-season around Christmas.
Or to organize an early season time trial round of the first profile, establishing the starting position for the first race and then do the UCI ranking.

Let me know if anyone has good ideas on this matter. For now, though, it's UCI Number for 1 - 3 and UCI Ranking after that Wink


Edited by Ian Butler on 03-05-2015 19:24
 
SportingNonsense
You could add a proportion of last years' UCI ranking points on to the full amount of points earned this season. Wouldn't need to be a huge percentage, even 10% would be enough to hold a similar order together for a few races, before the impact of this year's races takes over.


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jandal7
SportingNonsense wrote:
You could add a proportion of last years' UCI ranking points on to the full amount of points earned this season. Wouldn't need to be a huge percentage, even 10% would be enough to hold a similar order together for a few races, before the impact of this year's races takes over.


I'd like something like this, just start with the same then slowly blend into the new season rather than just keeping the exact order for three races before what could be a pretty sudden switch depending on results.


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Ian Butler
Sounds like a good idea.
Though I'm not liking the practical side. It would require lots of calculating on my behalf Pfft

Though perhaps I could make it work in Excel.
Anyway, I plan to stick with what I decided for this season. Unless everyone is against it.
Still, let me state that, in the first few races, the opening roads/paths are wide enough to let's say the starting positions in these first few races aren't as important as later in the season!

 
SportingNonsense
Would me pretty simple to do I would have thought. For doing say, 10%, you'd just have to add the following values onto this season's UCI points, and you would then have a start order to use.

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Dries Cornelis348
Elliot Cook300
Sylvain Lipawsky271
Matt Mazzarelli247
Shay Gormley246
Francis N. Vague230
James Carlisle227
Hafthor Eldfjallsson221
Michael Bollinger183
Christian Schiltz159
Ronnie Hira157
Lachy Bauer148
Mikel Hammarling147
Arda Akdeniz135
Gregory Bernard128
Sven Welling127
Tariq Faizullah126
Naveed Alinejad120
Rudy Verboven118
Jack Smith98
Nicky Van Drenthe89
Timi Kokkonen88
Kimi Hakinnen85
Thijs Van Lookeren83
Rik Van Fleming78
Mustafa Moli76
Andrew McLaughlin75
Sven Van Vliet61
Nic Hashir52
Josiah Bennett49
Frederick Muller49
Max Power47
Matthias Barthez47
Blazej Dobransky46
Jannik Stolz45
Pierre Lipawsky44
Ali Acord44
Robert Wells41
William Burbank37
Matt Claveren37
Alfonso Munoz35
Lars Lejeune34
Craig Hepptern31
Lars Van Hennep28
Guido Visconti26
Ewan Wilson24
Abdullah Saboor23
Lue Khamse Khamphan21
Pierre Lavigne21
Marcus Flinch20
Milan Vermeulen20
Mohuti Sow19
Vladimir Stoyevski18
Tane Tahawira15
Fred Markson14
Philipp Smart12
Ketso Tembi11
Oleksandr Orlov11
Mario Guido11
Alexey Tesler10
Artem Sakalau9
Amadou Bakari9
Nathan Starc8
Pépé Renoir8
Ricardo Vieto7
Bert Vos7
Eddie Goldenberg6
Henry Georges6
Farai Olujimi3
Len Leye2
Bohdan Honchar1
Peter Christianson1


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Ian Butler
Oh, yes. You're right Pfft
Hmm, I'll think about it. Hope to hear some more people here on this idea and then I might use it even this season.
For first race it doesn't matter so we have a few days to settle it Wink

Thanks for the input!

 
Shonak
Yeah, I like it too. Smile


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Scorchio
Me three. Think it makes sense, even if completely useless for young Camilo. Likely a good model for seasons to come as well - perhaps some debate on the % carried over in future after trial run this season??


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Ian Butler
Sounds good, guys.
What about this:
I'll use the UCI Points earned this season + 10% of UCI Points last season until the 10th race.
After that, the 10% gets dropped and it's all about what they've done this season.

This way, the riders profit from what they've achieved last season for 6 weeks (10 races) and they have plenty of time to earn their position again. From race 11 onwards, things shold've settled down and you shouldn't depend on last season anymore. After all, in sports it's always about now and the future. I wouldn't want riders to profit off their last season too long. If you're not performing well now, why should you still get front row, right?

Practically this would mean starting position is calculated by UCI Points + 10% UCI Points of last season for all the races up until Lancaster Challenge (not counting Perth). Antofagasta is the first race where the starting positions are determined by the UCI Points of this season.


Edited by Ian Butler on 04-05-2015 09:08
 
TheManxMissile
Now you're just picking on the Americans on purpose, hving them handicapped in starting position all through the one big week for them.... goddamn i want Verbruggen and McQuaid back please Rolling Eyes:lol:Pfft


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Ian Butler
TheManxMissile wrote:
Now you're just picking on the Americans on purpose, hving them handicapped in starting position all through the one big week for them.... goddamn i want Verbruggen and McQuaid back please Rolling Eyes:lol:Pfft


The only way you'd be satisfied if I was to put them on the front row from the first race, admit it Pfft

Though I thought my alternative had something: for the first few races a pre-race time trial. One lap. The fastest riders start at the front etc.
That for 5 or 10 races or so, and then UCI Points.

But the 10% rules sounds more realistic Pfft
And don't forget, the young riders (and your Americans) have an extra race where to score points (Pert), so they could move up a bit in the classification there!

 
jandal7
Ian Butler wrote:
Sounds good, guys.


All you needed to say Pfft


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TheManxMissile
Ian Butler wrote:
The only way you'd be satisfied if I was to put them on the front row from the first race, admit it Pfft


Yep Cool


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Avin Wargunnson
I am back. Smile

Is there still time to send some sort of preset tactics for the first race Ian? I hope i will be able to post a role playing posts for both Jan and Karol today, but not 100% on that, asi have shitload of things to do at work and i was reading MG related posts whole morning. Embarassed

I will get into it slowly. I have managed to read the preview and few posts in game thread at least, great job Ian and other guys! Grin


Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 04-05-2015 09:22
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Ian Butler
Glad you enjoyed it, Avin Wink
Game Thread is my favorite thread of the forum Pfft

You can still send in tactics, but the longer you wait, the bigger the chance it won't be taken into account for the result.

Expect the race either this evening (though I have to go at 8pm, so not sure) or tomorrow at the latest!


Also, see the Game Thread for the final compromise in starting positions!

 
Ian Butler
We've really started the season now!
Read the Duinencross report here!

I also include the team in the results, now. Hope you like that Wink

 
Ollfardh
Rudy Verboven and flat tires, the saga continues Grin


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TheManxMissile
Power Shock

Great start to the season. Excellent report, good race and in general we are going again. All good things Grin


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