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Climbing tactics in Giro d'Italia
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| Halvor |
Posted on 27-03-2008 18:18
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I'm playing Giro d'Italia in my career, with csc now. Andy Schleck has 93(74/80+19/20) in fitness points, and 80 MO. But I can't play good mountain stages! In two mountain stages, I have lost six minutes!
I want to get a good classification, but not so bad as it is now! Help me! |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 27-03-2008 18:32
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There are two styles-
Use the first if your rider has a good acceleration, and is feeling good on the day, and it is to wait for the leaders to attack, and then match with your rider. After you stop attacking, do one of two things. If on a climb that has another major climb later, or a long flat section to the finish, than either ride hard to join the group in front, or fall back to the group behind. If it is the final climb, with either a mountaintop finish or finish at the bottom of a descent, than put on the dot at a really high level, as you can afford to be out of energy when you reach the line.
The second, and proabably smarter option when riding against good riders, is that as you near the mountain that you expect the leaders to attack on, move to the front, and as you hit the moutain place you #1 climber on the dot at around 70-80 at near the beginning of the climb protected by all the good climbers on your team. He should pull away, and by the time your protection wears out, he should have a solid lead with good green and blue bars.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 27-03-2008 18:45
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I would recommend using the second option, as it is known around here as "the perfect strategy." Also, you have a better chance of winning succesfully if you follow the "perfect strategy," because it puts you out in front, unlike the first which could put you a number of groups back. |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 27-03-2008 19:02
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I'll try the second strategy now! thanks! |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 27-03-2008 19:51
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Thank you very much! I came on 3. place on this stage, just 40 seconds behind cunego, and that's just because there was a 30 km downhill section to finish!I'm in 4rd place now, not 14. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 27-03-2008 20:24
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I'd like so say i lost 10 minutes with contador in the TDF by some stupid fitness issues (he has to do both the tour and vuelta so couldn't peak for the whole race) and so by the time it got to the end of the tour he was on 95 fitness and managed to get back the time in 3-5 stages gradually by just being in the top 3 each stage. He ended up winning by 0 seconds over Schleck 
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 27-03-2008 20:29
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Your welcome |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-03-2008 22:56
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I am still feeling that dot command a little cheating..in real life they never let possible GC rider away that easy. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 27-03-2008 23:00
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I suppose the dot is used to symbolise the toher GC contenders cracking and not being able to follow, which does happen in real life. All the same, I never use the dot because I've always thought it was cheating
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 27-03-2008 23:09
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Yeah, same with me, I only heard about the perfect strategy on the forum. I always match the leaders attacks (that is, I never use the perfect strategy, when the attacks are over, I use the dot on a high level to drive up the hill. I consider that realistic and not cheap, because you get 4 reds and don't get a gap (or close one) if you aren't a good climber).
Edited by Deadpool on 27-03-2008 23:19
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| Halvor |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:07
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I've got a new problem(Don't want to make a new thread):
I followed your Deadpools tactics, and I managed to get from 8th position to 2nd in three mountain stages and one TT.
I like this tactic, but when I'm playing with Sastre, his red bar fills much faster! What can I do, is it a stat that is too low? |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:34
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A) What is his fitness B) If in good fitness, you might want to try the first option, he has a high acceleration |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:48
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He's in Dauphine-Libere, just 75 points. He has 65 acc, not so high... |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:49
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Oh, I thought he had a high acc. It probably involves his fitness, and his daily form :x |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:54
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okey, I had the problem on Mont Ventoux, the stage after, and the stage after again.. I remember I had the same problem when I played single player! |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:57
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I got no answer then, sometimes it may not work... |
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| alex153 |
Posted on 28-03-2008 21:58
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Sastre is really a better climber then Schleck, so the problem could be that his form isnt good enough compared to the other riders. If it's like that maybe you should just send him in a early break on one stage or try to minimize losses and not aim for the win.
Also it could have something to do with other things as well, like his morale. |
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| shadow80 |
Posted on 28-03-2008 22:59
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I've never used that perfect strategy but what I've often used is that I'd drill it with my riders and go hard relay with all but my GC rider (if you have a good climbing team). And usually with Andy Schleck, I'm able to have a very high level of blue while draining the other rider's blue bars.
However, for the Tour and with Sastre, I lost about 6 minutes and I had to gain that back so what I did was basically a relay attack strategy for two major mountain stages near the end of the race. I would attack with my 4th or 5th best climber at the beginning of the race and put him in the breakaway. He would be high enough placed (usually 20th or 30th) to force the pack to chase like madmen. Then right at the midpoint of the race on a climb, I'd attack with my 2nd or 3rd best rider depending on form and try to goad the pack into chasing him again. The goal here was to isolate the GC riders in a lone leading group and force them to chase my 2nd or 3rd best rider and consume precious blue bars. After they'd caught him or if I knew that they were breaking there, I'd attack one more time with my GC rider, Sastre and finish off the race. This tactic worked perfectly two days in a row and combined with a very good uphill TT, I gained 7 or 8 minutes and won that tour by 2 minutes.
Also I've noticed that in uphill TTs, it is very good strategy to hammer up the steepest portions of the hills and then ease a little during the less steep portions. With a good climber, you can win that stage by 1 or 2 minutes. And here's the duh portion, DO NOT run out of energy until you're perhaps half a km from the finish or less. |
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