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| cmfos |
Posted on 04-06-2007 14:50
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Guido Mukk wrote:
@cmfos What is your masterplan ,hint to sprint well ?
The way I learned to sprint was that I started with Team Milram. If you haven't played them, they are loaded, I mean LOADED with sprinters (i.e. with Sprint Stats at 75 or above). In addition, they have quite a few good flat stage riders who you can use to set up your train. Anyway, my thinking was that it would be easier to win races and get my confidence up with a team that I knew SHOULD win the sprints. If they weren't winning, then I knew I was doing something wrong and I would have to adjust my tactics. This is in contrast to playing with AG2r which has 2 or 3 good sprinters. I could never win with them but that's because i didn't have a team built around sprinting that I could learn from.
Anyway, with Milram you can set up your sprint train much as has been discussed in the forums: get a good flat guy (Sacchi/Celestino) on the dot at 99% with about 5 or 6 km to go. follow him with a low-grade sprinter (i.e. 76 Sp/Acc). Follow him with Zabel (80 Sp/Acc). Follow him with Petacchi (82 or 83 Sp/Acc) (these numbers are all database dependent of course). Send the first sprinter loose as early as possible (2.5 km or so to go). Then send zabel at 1.5-2 km to go. Then send Petacchi at 500-800 m to go. You should dominate the sprint and win handily. If you don't, then that means something is off. Perhaps your guys aren't in the best of shape or perhaps the enemy sprinters are in better shape. Maybe you should send Zabel earlier or later. Maybe you should send Petacchi at a different time. But by using a strong team, you can go through and figure out the variables that you need to tweak and then tweak them to get better results. Start on normal. Once you can dominate with Milram on normal, ratchet up to Hard.
Good luck. winning sprints is REALLY fun once you figure out how to do it. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-06-2007 15:36
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cmfos wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
@cmfos What is your masterplan ,hint to sprint well ?
The way I learned to sprint was that I started with Team Milram. If you haven't played them, they are loaded, I mean LOADED with sprinters (i.e. with Sprint Stats at 75 or above). In addition, they have quite a few good flat stage riders who you can use to set up your train. Anyway, my thinking was that it would be easier to win races and get my confidence up with a team that I knew SHOULD win the sprints. If they weren't winning, then I knew I was doing something wrong and I would have to adjust my tactics. This is in contrast to playing with AG2r which has 2 or 3 good sprinters. I could never win with them but that's because i didn't have a team built around sprinting that I could learn from.
Anyway, with Milram you can set up your sprint train much as has been discussed in the forums: get a good flat guy (Sacchi/Celestino) on the dot at 99% with about 5 or 6 km to go. follow him with a low-grade sprinter (i.e. 76 Sp/Acc). Follow him with Zabel (80 Sp/Acc). Follow him with Petacchi (82 or 83 Sp/Acc) (these numbers are all database dependent of course). Send the first sprinter loose as early as possible (2.5 km or so to go). Then send zabel at 1.5-2 km to go. Then send Petacchi at 500-800 m to go. You should dominate the sprint and win handily. If you don't, then that means something is off. Perhaps your guys aren't in the best of shape or perhaps the enemy sprinters are in better shape. Maybe you should send Zabel earlier or later. Maybe you should send Petacchi at a different time. But by using a strong team, you can go through and figure out the variables that you need to tweak and then tweak them to get better results. Start on normal. Once you can dominate with Milram on normal, ratchet up to Hard.
Good luck. winning sprints is REALLY fun once you figure out how to do it.
with most teams, you don't have the luxury of such a lead-out man, so you have to hitch-hike on another train. the advantage is you have more men free to reel in the breakaway.
whatever you do, never have your guy first or second on the train. that's really bad.
the ideal is to be third in line (or fourth if the first one is a really bad sprinter).
the key is to only sprint when the guy in front of you starts loosing speed, otherwise your sprinter has to be a lot stronger to be able to come around.
keep an eye on the sprint bar. once it's empty, a guy will loose a lot of speed. keepin g on someone's wheel will use a lot less.
just my 2 cents
Edited by issoisso on 04-06-2007 15:36
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-06-2007 15:55
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Of course another tactic is to get one of your teammates to follow your main sprinter, so that an enemy sprinter cant have your sprinter as a perfect launchpad. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 04-06-2007 16:10
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yes sometimes i try that, but most of the time the guy i put on the back loses contact with my main sprinter.
as issoiso said, you have to wait to click the sprint button (for you're main sprinter) until he starts closing in on your lead-out man then click it
i personally have one lead-out man and my main sprinter behind him, that normally works for me, but it you do cmfos' way and have pretty much the whole team in the lead-out then you have a bigger chance of domination in the sprint |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-06-2007 16:14
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At the moment for Eurosport, witout any strong sprinters (Wyss is 75, Maaskant 74) I just try and follow the rider who I think is the best on the stage. It worked well as it gave me my first sprint win for eurosport. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-06-2007 22:12
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Ok..thanks..
My tactics so far was:take good flat guy front at me and follow them..(without him I get to soon tired)... "Train" man gonna look some good sprinter to follow... When they starting to spint and "train" man gonna lose a bit distance with good I jump out and take his place..Then the power games start if I have a strenght I try 800-900 m. before finish ... If I see that I wont make it..and starting loosing ground then I am looking just fast feel to fallow (If I choose correct this help´s me get few places hire on result page).
And Level is now on hard...most correct comment for that was: most realistic ( its certainly is..thanks again. |
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| gardner |
Posted on 06-06-2007 05:15
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I find this discussion about difficulty levels interesting. I havealways played on hard but I find that too easy now. In my last career with Caisse I won 117 victories in 2007 including 10 stage wins in the vuelta and 6 in the tour. That is not challenging.
I have now switched to extreme and I will post later when I experience the difference between hard and extreme.
So far I have realized that just hanging on to the peleton is difficult when the stage includes just a tiny hill and your rider has shitty hill-skills.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-06-2007 15:23
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Jepp will be nice to read extreme overview...
In hard I am repeating my self I know..sprint is far realistic..(bit problem had to contol a nice sprint "train"...often some important train guy falls ) but most of all its more even...always about 6 man who want to win badly.
2. Catching the runners..in normal you have to do all hard work.. in hard all work together nicely and cathing the runner just in a right moment..beautiful.
Next- mountain tests. |
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| cmfos |
Posted on 06-06-2007 16:27
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For me the biggest difference on Hard is that I simply cannot chase down the breakaways with my team. I have quite a few good flat riders and even with these guys pulling at 99% with 60 km to go, I usually cannot catch a breakaway that is 6 minutes ahead. It's only if the other teams want to catch the breakaway, that it will get caught. When I was playing Milram, I would put one of my medium sprint guys with each breakaway so that I could win the stage if the breakaway wasn't pulled back. But that's the only way I could see to catch these guys.
I put the long description about setting up sprint trains in case you play a team that can do it (i.e. Milram). When I was playing AG2r, I could never make sprint trains but that was because I lacked the proper riders to do it. Otherwise, just sending your top sprint man behind the strongest enemy sprinter is enough to give you good placements. Generally, if your sprinter is crowding up behind the person he's following, then you can usually guarantee that your sprinter will pass him if you set him loose with 500-800 m to go. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-06-2007 16:37
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Jepp this is true I was just practising with one flat stage...with Milram always had some problem..Zabel falls..train splits..to catch the train I losed to much power..and Petacchi was after that effort catch Milram splited train already weak at the sprint.. But I was always in front places 2 to 7..with my top sprinter.
Then I decided to try with McEwen ..with Rodriques to help..to drag him behind strong sprinter..no problem easy 2 wins straight.
But building your own train is nice to see ,fun to play.. |
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