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Tour of Britain - stage 8
Smowz
Posted on 07-12-2013 11:50
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The final stage is going to be a bumpy ride through the Surrey Hills a favourite cycling spot for the London City types. We finish in a tricky uphill kick up Guildford High Street. Not really enough of a kick to bother our professional cyclists though one that should suit the guys in GC contention.
Ventoso probably won the Tour and his Prio team just need to ensure no gaps appear.
Lots of KoM points on offer and Richard Cleaver sees a way of seeing his name go up in the spotlights by joining todays break.
His other breakaway companians are:
Gate (Cadburys)
Van der Shueren (HTC)
Boeckmans (Bpost)
Khalilikhosashani (Kenya Air)
Van Heerden (Rothaus)
Vueling once again lead the chase work and keep the break under control.
But not before Cleaver takes the KoM crown and emphatically so winning three of the four KoM sprints.
Gate wins the other to move to third on that competition himself, with Boeckmans and Khalilikhosroshani also moving into points scoring positions.
The headlines though in the latter third of the race are that on the last major climb of the race, former leader Haussler has been dropped.
Whether it is weakness or carelessness on the part of SRAM, it is proving a poor final two days of a race they had previous been very strong. There is no coming back for the German who loses over five minutes, clearly the battles across the British Isles have battered him.
The 60 man pack roars into Guildford as the posh home counties crowd tipple on Pimms and politely applaud the lycra clad stars.
Bak is leading out Kennaugh with Kreder (Swedbank), Gavazzi (UPC), Caldiera (Prio-Porto), Cavendish (AirBattic) and race leader Ventsos (Prio-Porto) in contention.
Cavendish blasts into the lead onto Guildford High Street.
Kennaugh is blown here as this is proving a tougher finish than many predicted.
Kreder stuns an also blowing Cavendish by streaming past with several others.
Indeed Kreder takes the win over Galimzyanov (Tinkoff), Gavazzi (UPC) and Ventoso (Prio). Gaywood (Cadburys) takes 5th on a decent day for them.
Disappointing day for the Brits and a fairly modest tour of three stage wins, many might have expected more. Particular of defending champion Bellis who finishes a very anonymous ninth place.
Ventoso takes the overall, a share of the team jersey and Points, after surviving Caerphilly he launched his move in Devon. Kreder sneaks up to second place leapfrogging Gavazzi on bonuses and of course Haussler. Good points for the Swedbank team who should now avoid relegation you feel. Has Gavazzi done enough, his decent display may help.
Cleaver takes the KoM with a brilliant display both on the last stage and on the queen stage. The Youth jersey is taken by another rider from the queen stage in Smirnovs over Sulimov.
Stage results
Rank Name Team Time 1 Michel Kreder Swedbank-PEAB 3h30'39 2 Denis Galimzyanov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 3 Francesco Gavazzi Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 4 Francisco Ventoso Prio - Porto s.t. 5 Simon Gaywood Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 6 Mathieu Drujon Team BPost s.t. 7 Matteo Priamo Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 8 Kenny Van Hummel Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 9 Samuel Caldeira Prio - Porto s.t. 10 Bobbie Traksel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 11 Jonathan Bellis Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 12 Mark Cavendish airBaltic - Endura s.t. 13 Sander Armee HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 14 Sam Bennett Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 15 Nico Schinker Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 16 Jérome Giaux Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 17 Artjom Timofeev Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 18 Peter Kennaugh Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 19 Thor Hushovd Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 20 Valentin Iglinski Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 21 Fabian Wegmann Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 22 Martin Velits Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 23 Markus Eichler Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 24 Leonid Krasnov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 25 Bruno Borges Prio - Porto s.t. 26 Kenny De Haes HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 27 Daan Olivier Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 28 Huub Duyn Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 29 Chris Froome Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 30 Christoff Van Heerden Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 31 Maurice Schreurs Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 32 Ivan Rovny Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 33 Kenneth Vanbilsen HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 34 Kris Boeckmans Team BPost s.t. 35 Martin Pedersen Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 36 Bruno Pires Prio - Porto s.t. 37 Simon Richardson airBaltic - Endura s.t. 38 Tosh Van der Sande Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 39 Romain Feillu Team BPost s.t. 40 Nikolai Trusov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 41 Kenny Van der Schueren HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 42 Graham Briggs airBaltic - Endura s.t. 43 Lars Ytting Bak Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 44 Vahid Ghafari Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 45 Enrico Barbin HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 46 Tom Van Asbroeck HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 47 Luis Afonso Prio - Porto s.t. 48 Matthew Brammeier Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 49 Alexander Sulimov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 50 Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Team BPost s.t. 51 Niels Albert Team BPost s.t. 52 Tarik Chaoufi Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 53 Aurélien Passeron Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 54 Ricardo Ferreira Prio - Porto s.t. 55 Behnam Khalilikhosroshani Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 56 Dylan Groenewegen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 57 Andris Smirnovs airBaltic - Endura s.t. 58 Blel Kadri Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 59 Kristian Sbaragli Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 60 Tom David Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 1'13 61 Kieran Frend Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 62 Aaron Gate Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 63 Richard Cleaver Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 64 Mattias Westling Swedbank-PEAB + 2'36 65 Pavel Korzh Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 2'45 66 Ermin Van Wyk airBaltic - Endura s.t. 67 Jörgen Matt airBaltic - Endura s.t. 68 William Maesen Team BPost s.t. 69 George Alexandru Stancu Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 70 Mathieu La Lavandier Team BPost s.t. 71 Danny Pate ANC-Halfords s.t. 72 Dylan Van Baarle airBaltic - Endura s.t. 73 Lionel Coutinho Prio - Porto + 4'31 74 Iljo Keisse Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 5'34 75 Michel Koch Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 76 Jan Barta Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 77 Kevin Barclay ANC-Halfords s.t. 78 Heinrich Haussler Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 79 Javier Joaquin Navarro Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 80 Ricki Nelson ANC-Halfords s.t. 81 Danny Van Poppel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 82 Simon Yates Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 83 James Oram Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 84 Riadh Ghdamsi Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 85 Sam Harrison Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 86 Tesfar Teklit Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 87 Mike Teunissen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 88 Henrique Madeira Casimiro Kenya Airways - Barclays s.t. 89 Philip Lavery Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 90 Maarten Tjallingii Control Team s.t. 91 Björn Leukemans Control Team s.t. 92 Bassirou Konte Jaguar - Eritel s.t. 93 Rasmus Sterobo Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 94 Petter Renäng Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 95 Ian Boswell HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 96 Russell Hampton ANC-Halfords s.t. 97 Richard Tanguy ANC-Halfords s.t. 98 Dale Appleby ANC-Halfords s.t. 99 Gerben Löwik Control Team + 7'28 100 David Millar ANC-Halfords + 9'11
GC
Rank Name Team Time 1 Francisco Ventoso Prio - Porto 34h03'51 2 Michel Kreder Swedbank-PEAB + 47 3 Francesco Gavazzi Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 51 4 Fabian Wegmann Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 1'19 5 Andris Smirnovs airBaltic - Endura + 1'21 6 Alexander Sulimov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 1'27 7 Kenny Van Hummel Swedbank-PEAB + 1'39 8 Romain Feillu Team BPost s.t. 9 Jonathan Bellis Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 10 Jérome Giaux Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 11 Valentin Iglinski Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 12 Ivan Rovny Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC s.t. 13 Lars Ytting Bak Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 14 Markus Eichler Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 15 Bruno Borges Prio - Porto s.t. 16 Simon Richardson airBaltic - Endura s.t. 17 Luis Afonso Prio - Porto s.t. 18 Tosh Van der Sande Team Vueling Airlines + 2'32 19 Mark Cavendish airBaltic - Endura + 2'35 20 Daan Olivier Rothaus - Aegon + 3'03 21 Denis Galimzyanov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 3'09 22 Christoff Van Heerden Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 23 Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Team BPost + 3'15 24 Chris Froome Jaguar - Eritel + 3'19 25 Matteo Priamo Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 3'21 26 Samuel Caldeira Prio - Porto s.t. 27 Simon Gaywood Team Cadbury - Schweppes s.t. 28 Thor Hushovd Swedbank-PEAB s.t. 29 Martin Pedersen Team Vueling Airlines s.t. 30 Huub Duyn Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team s.t. 31 Martin Velits Rothaus - Aegon s.t. 32 Kenny De Haes HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 33 Graham Briggs airBaltic - Endura s.t. 34 Bobbie Traksel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 35 Ricardo Ferreira Prio - Porto s.t. 36 Sander Armee HTC Nieuwsblad + 3'27 37 Bruno Pires Prio - Porto s.t. 38 Maurice Schreurs Team Vueling Airlines + 3'53 39 Aurélien Passeron Rothaus - Aegon + 5'09 40 William Maesen Team BPost + 5'11 41 Sam Bennett Jaguar - Eritel + 5'31 42 Dylan Groenewegen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 43 Heinrich Haussler Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 6'17 44 Kenneth Vanbilsen HTC Nieuwsblad + 7'17 45 Kris Boeckmans Team BPost + 8'11 46 Ermin Van Wyk airBaltic - Endura + 8'16 47 Iljo Keisse Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 8'55 48 Tesfar Teklit Jaguar - Eritel + 9'01 49 Blel Kadri Team Vueling Airlines + 9'22 50 Bassirou Konte Jaguar - Eritel + 9'48 51 Kristian Sbaragli Rothaus - Aegon + 10'48 52 Matthew Brammeier Kenya Airways - Barclays + 11'57 53 Aaron Gate Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 12'06 54 Jörgen Matt airBaltic - Endura + 12'54 55 Dylan Van Baarle airBaltic - Endura s.t. 56 Pavel Korzh Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 13'39 57 Simon Yates Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 13'52 58 Jan Barta Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 14'03 59 Michel Koch Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 15'55 60 Behnam Khalilikhosroshani Kenya Airways - Barclays + 16'02 61 Enrico Barbin HTC Nieuwsblad + 16'28 62 Danny Pate ANC-Halfords + 17'31 63 Tom Van Asbroeck HTC Nieuwsblad + 17'36 64 Richard Cleaver Jaguar - Eritel + 17'40 65 Mathieu Drujon Team BPost + 17'43 66 Leonid Krasnov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 17'49 67 Kenny Van der Schueren HTC Nieuwsblad s.t. 68 Nico Schinker Kenya Airways - Barclays + 17'59 69 Tom David Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 19'28 70 Vahid Ghafari Kenya Airways - Barclays + 19'47 71 Tarik Chaoufi Kenya Airways - Barclays + 20'03 72 Artjom Timofeev Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 20'09 73 Peter Kennaugh Team Vueling Airlines + 22'36 74 George Alexandru Stancu Swedbank-PEAB + 22'49 75 Kieran Frend Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 22'58 76 Nikolai Trusov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 23'16 77 Mathieu La Lavandier Team BPost s.t. 78 Richard Tanguy ANC-Halfords + 23'33 79 Mattias Westling Swedbank-PEAB + 23'36 80 Henrique Madeira Casimiro Kenya Airways - Barclays + 25'21 81 Philip Lavery Jaguar - Eritel + 25'57 82 Ricki Nelson ANC-Halfords + 26'56 83 Sam Harrison Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 27'21 84 Niels Albert Team BPost + 28'47 85 Mike Teunissen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 29'48 86 Kevin Barclay ANC-Halfords + 30'09 87 Dale Appleby ANC-Halfords + 30'38 88 Danny Van Poppel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 31'35 89 Javier Joaquin Navarro Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim s.t. 90 Russell Hampton ANC-Halfords + 31'49 91 Petter Renäng Swedbank-PEAB + 33'02 92 Riadh Ghdamsi Kenya Airways - Barclays + 42'31 93 James Oram Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 47'27 94 Rasmus Sterobo Team Vueling Airlines + 48'28 95 Ian Boswell HTC Nieuwsblad + 50'21 96 Lionel Coutinho Prio - Porto + 53'28 97 David Millar ANC-Halfords + 55'08 98 Björn Leukemans Control Team + 1h11'48 99 Gerben Löwik Control Team + 1h18'04 100 Maarten Tjallingii Control Team + 1h53'21
Points
Rank Name Team Points General 1 Francisco Ventoso Prio - Porto 14 121 2 Heinrich Haussler Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 115 3 Michel Kreder Swedbank-PEAB 25 114 4 Mark Cavendish airBaltic - Endura 4 97 5 Francesco Gavazzi Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim 16 82 6 Mathieu Drujon Team BPost 10 66 7 Peter Kennaugh Team Vueling Airlines 0 65 8 Ricki Nelson ANC-Halfords 0 39 9 Fabian Wegmann Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 35 10 Romain Feillu Team BPost 0 35 11 Leonid Krasnov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 33 12 Denis Galimzyanov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 20 32 13 Kenny Van Hummel Swedbank-PEAB 8 31 14 Jérome Giaux Swedbank-PEAB 0 29 15 Jonathan Bellis Rothaus - Aegon 5 29 16 Behnam Khalilikhosroshani Kenya Airways - Barclays 10 28 17 Nico Schinker Kenya Airways - Barclays 1 27 18 Aaron Gate Team Cadbury - Schweppes 8 26 19 Matthew Brammeier Kenya Airways - Barclays 0 24 20 Tom Van Asbroeck HTC Nieuwsblad 0 22 21 Matteo Priamo Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim 9 20 22 Samuel Caldeira Prio - Porto 7 20 23 Martin Pedersen Team Vueling Airlines 0 20 24 Maurice Schreurs Team Vueling Airlines 0 20 25 Andris Smirnovs airBaltic - Endura 0 18 26 Daan Olivier Rothaus - Aegon 0 18 27 Richard Cleaver Jaguar - Eritel 4 18 28 Riadh Ghdamsi Kenya Airways - Barclays 0 18 29 Christoff Van Heerden Rothaus - Aegon 12 17 30 Pavel Korzh Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 17 31 Chris Froome Jaguar - Eritel 0 16 32 Alexander Sulimov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 12 33 Simon Gaywood Team Cadbury - Schweppes 12 12 34 Sam Bennett Jaguar - Eritel 2 12 35 Kenny Van der Schueren HTC Nieuwsblad 0 12 36 Mike Teunissen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim 0 10 37 Blel Kadri Team Vueling Airlines 0 8 38 Russell Hampton ANC-Halfords 0 8 39 Petter Renäng Swedbank-PEAB 0 8 40 Valentin Iglinski Rothaus - Aegon 0 7 41 Ivan Rovny Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 7 42 Lars Ytting Bak Team Vueling Airlines 0 6 43 William Maesen Team BPost 0 6 44 Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Team BPost 0 6 45 Thor Hushovd Swedbank-PEAB 0 6 46 Bobbie Traksel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim 6 6 47 Bassirou Konte Jaguar - Eritel 0 6 48 Kenneth Vanbilsen HTC Nieuwsblad 0 6 49 Kris Boeckmans Team BPost 2 6 50 Mathieu La Lavandier Team BPost 0 6 51 Iljo Keisse Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 3 52 Sander Armee HTC Nieuwsblad 3 3 53 Bruno Pires Prio - Porto 0 2 54 Tesfar Teklit Jaguar - Eritel 0 1 55 Artjom Timofeev Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 1
KoM
Rank Name Team Mountain General 1 Richard Cleaver Jaguar - Eritel 38 88 2 Kenneth Vanbilsen HTC Nieuwsblad 0 69 3 Aaron Gate Team Cadbury - Schweppes 28 54 4 Bassirou Konte Jaguar - Eritel 0 44 5 Matthew Brammeier Kenya Airways - Barclays 0 43 6 Kris Boeckmans Team BPost 12 38 7 Danny Pate ANC-Halfords 0 34 8 Behnam Khalilikhosroshani Kenya Airways - Barclays 16 34 9 Mike Teunissen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim 0 34 10 Petter Renäng Swedbank-PEAB 0 33 11 Alexander Sulimov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 32 12 William Maesen Team BPost 0 32 13 Daan Olivier Rothaus - Aegon 0 32 14 Russell Hampton ANC-Halfords 0 32 15 Riadh Ghdamsi Kenya Airways - Barclays 0 32 16 Tom Van Asbroeck HTC Nieuwsblad 0 24 17 Kenny Van der Schueren HTC Nieuwsblad 8 24 18 Andris Smirnovs airBaltic - Endura 0 22 19 Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Team BPost 0 22 20 Maurice Schreurs Team Vueling Airlines 2 18 21 Pavel Korzh Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC 0 18 22 Mathieu La Lavandier Team BPost 0 18 23 Christoff Van Heerden Rothaus - Aegon 8 8 24 Chris Froome Jaguar - Eritel 0 4 25 Ermin Van Wyk airBaltic - Endura 0 4 26 Jan Barta Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 4 27 Blel Kadri Team Vueling Airlines 0 4 28 Michel Koch Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 4 29 Fabian Wegmann Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 2 30 Bruno Borges Prio - Porto 0 2 31 Iljo Keisse Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 0 2 32 Dylan Van Baarle airBaltic - Endura 0 2 33 Tarik Chaoufi Kenya Airways - Barclays 0 2
Youth
Name Team General Time Andris Smirnovs airBaltic - Endura 34h05'12 (1) Alexander Sulimov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 6 (2) Jonathan Bellis Rothaus - Aegon + 18 (3) Bruno Borges Prio - Porto + 18 (4) Luis Afonso Prio - Porto + 18 (5) Tosh Van der Sande Team Vueling Airlines + 1'11 (6) Daan Olivier Rothaus - Aegon + 1'42 (7) Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Team BPost + 1'54 (8) Ricardo Ferreira Prio - Porto + 2'00 (9) Maurice Schreurs Team Vueling Airlines + 2'32 (10) William Maesen Team BPost + 3'50 (11) Sam Bennett Jaguar - Eritel + 4'10 (12) Dylan Groenewegen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 4'10 (13) Kenneth Vanbilsen HTC Nieuwsblad + 5'56 (14) Tesfar Teklit Jaguar - Eritel + 7'40 (15) Bassirou Konte Jaguar - Eritel + 8'27 (16) Kristian Sbaragli Rothaus - Aegon + 9'27 (17) Aaron Gate Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 10'45 (18) Jörgen Matt airBaltic - Endura + 11'33 (19) Dylan Van Baarle airBaltic - Endura + 11'33 (20) Simon Yates Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 12'31 (21) Michel Koch Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team + 14'34 (22) Behnam Khalilikhosroshani Kenya Airways - Barclays + 14'41 (23) Enrico Barbin HTC Nieuwsblad + 15'07 (24) Tom Van Asbroeck HTC Nieuwsblad + 16'15 (25) Richard Cleaver Jaguar - Eritel + 16'19 (26) Leonid Krasnov Tinkoff Bank - Rosneft OJSC + 16'28 (27) Tom David Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 18'07 (28) Vahid Ghafari Kenya Airways - Barclays + 18'26 (29) Peter Kennaugh Team Vueling Airlines + 21'15 (30) George Alexandru Stancu Swedbank-PEAB + 21'28 (31) Kieran Frend Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 21'37 (32) Mathieu La Lavandier Team BPost + 21'55 (33) Philip Lavery Jaguar - Eritel + 24'36 (34) Ricki Nelson ANC-Halfords + 25'35 (35) Sam Harrison Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 26'00 (36) Mike Teunissen Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 28'27 (37) Kevin Barclay ANC-Halfords + 28'48 (38) Danny Van Poppel Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 30'14 (39) Javier Joaquin Navarro Team UPC - Boehringer-Ingelheim + 30'14 (40) Russell Hampton ANC-Halfords + 30'28 (41) James Oram Team Cadbury - Schweppes + 46'06 (42) Rasmus Sterobo Team Vueling Airlines + 47'07 (43) Ian Boswell HTC Nieuwsblad + 49'00 (44) Lionel Coutinho Prio - Porto + 52'07 (45)
Teams
Team General Time Prio - Porto 102h15'39 (1) Swedbank-PEAB 2nd on countback Sram-Riboxx Cycling Team 3rd on countback Team Vueling Airlines 4th on countback
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