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Hilly Time Trials

By: SkyIsTheLimit | Average Rating: 4.07 | Game version: PCM13
In a flat time trial, you want to maintain a steady rhythm. However on a hilly time trial which involves climbing and descending, you want to go fast on the climbs and recover on the descent. Use your domestiques to gauge the ideal effort on the climb(s) and the descent(s).

Ideally, you want to climb at an effort that is about 3 higher than that at which you descend. For example, on the 34km Vuelta 2013 stage 11 TT (which s also used for Spanish and Italian NCs amongst other things), you want to dot at 68 on the flat leading up to the hill, 69-70 on the climb, 65-67 on the descent before 67 on the flat to the finish. This will mean you will over-perform (Eg in Italian Championships, on extreme, I came 12th with Matteo Trentin and 1st with Dario Cataldo (beating Nibali by 4 secs)).

Good luck and please leave a rating Smile
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#1 | SkyIsTheLimit on 30. October 2013 12:09
Just realised I accidentallly posted this in the wrong section. Is there any way to put this into the ITT tips section?
#2 | Jesleyh on 30. October 2013 14:31
Bit of a basic tip, but admitted, it does work, I use something similair as well Wink

And maybe you should PM a mod, I guess CrueTrue is the best bet(though I think every mod can move Tips & Tricks to an other section)
#3 | SkyIsTheLimit on 30. October 2013 15:41
Yh, it's just a guide for beginners really who are just getting started.

Thanks, I'll PM him nowWink
#4 | 547984 on 31. October 2013 21:00
So is the effort always 3 higher? What If I have a difference of 1? or 10?
#5 | maximus on 31. October 2013 23:36
I use much higher effort differences on climbs, flats and descents. Also the gradient steepness play a role. Might be up to 10 difference on uphill vs downhill. Quite unrelistic at times though as you can not only limit losses but gain time on stage racers and TTists with pure climbers. Cyanide should teach AI to set efforts according to terrain.
#6 | The Hobbit on 01. November 2013 09:08
Sometimes I use a difference of 15-20, or is that just me...
#7 | SkyIsTheLimit on 02. November 2013 13:41
@547984 You can use higher differences, but 3 works for me, so that's what I wrote in the guide. Anywhere between 2 and 7 works fine. Haven't tested above 7 but 3 is definitely more effective than 1
#8 | 547984 on 02. November 2013 16:09
@7: Ok thanks.

@6: How about 90 up the hill, 1 down the hill?
#9 | TheManxMissile on 03. November 2013 04:41
Yeah as others said you NEED a bigger difference.

Simply the AI cannot cope with TT's that include climbs and descents. It's programmed to ride the same effort level the whole stage (and usually this is too high).
So on descents they use the same effort as going uphill. If you crank up the pace up a climb then you gain tens of seconds with a mediocre rider, a minutes with a good one. Then knock down the effort on the decent. You go roughly the same speed by save energy.
It's a broken aspect of the game, but one you have to take advantage of at times.
#10 | The Hobbit on 03. November 2013 12:05
@8 I've tried 75 difference, didn't go so good.. Generally the bigger the better but don't get carried away, although it does lead to some odd things, like in pcm12 where I won Spanish TT champs 5 times with a 63 TT sprinter :lol: Rolling Eyes
#11 | SkyIsTheLimit on 05. November 2013 17:51
@TheManxMissile How much do you recommend? I found that ideally, you want about 70 uphill and 65 downhill. Any more uphill and you end up running out of energy or you go too slow downhill
#12 | LeaNzinga on 22. January 2014 02:18
i got a tip for you all just simulate it, always turns out more realistic then if i would control it myself along with ttt personally i simulate every form of tt Smile
#13 | lobinho on 02. February 2014 20:54
You know what? Work perfectly! Grin Thanks for this advice Smile
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#14 | Divac on 19. June 2014 08:09
I must try it. Smile Since now I used complete opposite. I set on climbing around 65 and then for downhill I push it to the limits. I think that for downhill rider could goes much quicker for less energy then when climbing.

Like I said I must try this. It also looks like good plane. Smile
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