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21 and Done - Kick-off Draft
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Croatia14
21 and Done - Kick-Off Draft


1jaxikaEgan Bernal
2kandesbunzler26Remco Evenepoel
3TheManxMissileJulius van den Berg
4trekbmcMarc Hirschi
5jandal7Robert Stannard
6FreitasPCMBjorg Lambrecht
7ShonakJhonatan Narváez
8Croatia14Iván Ramiro Sosa
9df_TrekStan Dewulf
10redordeadTadej PogaÄŤar
11cio93Jasper Philipsen
12Aquarius97Mikkel Bjerg
13hillis91Alan Banaszek
14Ollfahrdto come…
15AbhishekLFCMax Kanter
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16AbhishekLFCPascal Eenkhorn
17Ollfahrdto come…
18hillis91Mark Donovan
19Aquarius97Brandon McNulty
20cio93Thymen Arensman
21redordeadDušan Rajović
22df_TrekPavel Sivakov
23Croatia14Thomas Pidcock
24ShonakMikkel Frølich Honoré
25FreitasPCMGino Mäder
26jandal7Bram Welten
27trekbmcNicola Conci
28TheManxMissileEthan Hayter
29kandesbunzler26Alexys Brunel
30jaxikaJulius Johansen


jaxika wrote:
Bring it one more round (and maybe let choose TMM another rider for 2nd pick).


That is how we are going to do it: There will be a 3rd round, the draft ranking will be drawn rather sooner than later.

TMM is allowed to change his 2nd pick until the 3rd round starts if he wants to.
Edited by Croatia14 on 07-11-2018 12:42
 
TheManxMissile
I'll change Aidan for Ethan Hayter. Ok he'll be at Sky but as he's not an obvious GC talent he should still get chances to develop and deliver in a few years. (The first rider on my list would actually have been Brunel Pfft But Ethan will do).

And you shouldn't just do one round, as it won't be fairly balanced. Either do two or none, to keep it fair for all.
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Croatia14
Okay guys, the draw will come today Prepare to start the next round tomorrow on the 8th of November on 21:21 Smile

@TMM: balance is fair as outcomes on this draw will influence scores in the next draw. This will already happen for this draw, as Pick #1 and #30 obviously is better than #15 and #16.
 
redordead
Hmm, who to pick next? Smile
 
TheManxMissile
Croatia14 wrote:
Okay guys, the draw will come today Prepare to start the next round tomorrow on the 8th of November on 21:21 Smile

@TMM: balance is fair as outcomes on this draw will influence scores in the next draw. This will already happen for this draw, as Pick #1 and #30 obviously is better than #15 and #16.


Can you explain how this draw effects the Round 4+ draw? And how the 1-2 draw affects the Round 3 draw?
Because the whole point of a serpentine draft (ABCCBA) is that it is fair, so whilst #1 gets an advantage that is canceled out by being #30 to total 31, with #15 + #16 also totalling 31.
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Croatia14
TheManxMissile wrote:
Can you explain how this draw effects the Round 4+ draw? And how the 1-2 draw affects the Round 3 draw?


Quoted from rules:

Draft System:

- Different system for kick-off draft than for future draft
- Randomized numbers (1-1000) determine draft ranking
- Each draft new draw of positions
- High pick in last round -> lower chance of high number in next round (lower range to reach up high f.e. 1-700)


E.g. in the draft the top competitors from last round will be handed a slight malus on the possible draft range. Each according to their positions. High draft positions will have a decreasing effect on the next couple of drafts.

TheManxMissile wrote:Because the whole point of a serpentine draft (ABCCBA) is that it is fair, so whilst #1 gets an advantage that is canceled out by being #30 to total 31, with #15 + #16 also totalling 31.


Yes of course, but the serpentine draft is only completely fair if objective gaps are equal between every pick, which they obviously aren't in this draft pool.
 
Croatia14
Kick-Off Draft Round 3 - The Draw


i.imgur.com/97OADYM.jpg


Draft Order:

31df_Trek
32jandal7
33AbhishekLFC
34cio93
35Shonak
36redordead
37Ollfahrd
38Croatia14
39FreitasPCM
40kandesbunzler26
41Aquarius97
42jaxika
43TheManxMissile
44trekbmc
45hillis91


Spoiler
I'd like a feedback of Ollfahrd whether he'll take his picks, otherwise he'll be skipped for this draft Smile

 
Aquarius97
Oh yes, so lucky again... (joking) Pfft
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AbhishekLFC
Just keep the reverse of this draft when we have Round 4 and I guess it'll be fair (redraft for Rounds 5 and 6 if they also happen at the same time)...
 
FreitasPCM
I don’t even have a five rider shortlist now. Pfft This is looking good for me to random pick.
 
df_Trek
ouch, I'm first in the wrong moment Pfft

I can manage to take my choice around midnight/1 am (Rome/Paris/Amserdam time)
 
df_Trek
I'm really groping in the dark, no idea on who to choose...

Spoiler
Michael Storer

 
redordead
df_Trek wrote:
I'm really groping in the dark, no idea on who to choose...

Spoiler
Michael Storer


Very good pick I think Smile
 
Croatia14
Yeah Storer surely best rider available in terms of obvious talent shown on high level
 
jandal7
Great pick df, had no idea he was still eligible and so shocked he made it this far.

Tough choice for me (guys we let Menten turn 22 last week, we're all stupid!) but despite the lack of elite racing I'm swayed by climbing talent, a MTB skillset and an impossibly French name and so with the 32nd pick of the inaugural 21 and Done draft, jandal doth select
Spoiler
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Clément Champoussin

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FreitasPCM
Storer actually performed better than Hindley this year and I had no idea he was younger than him. Shock
 
AbhishekLFC
Well, it was a tough choice for me between two riders, a climber/puncher and a sprinter/classics guy. In the end, I chose the former as my third round pick and someone who I hope will make a step up in 2019...

Spoiler
Jaoa Almeida

 
cio93
Ah screw you.
 
Croatia14
cio93 wrote:
Ah screw you.

funnily he was not in my Top15 for my next pick...
 
FreitasPCM
Best pick so far Wink Pfft
 
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