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UltracompleteDB for PCM2018
ImthebestCoach
Hello everyone,

After 2017 version, it's time to move to Pro Cycling Manager 2018 and we are more ambitious than ever


More than 3500 riders
More than 330 teams (for single mode)
All UCI teams and some national & amateurs teams to have realistic participation
All UCI races
More than 100 startlists (the aim is to have all the real startlists for single mode)
Regen system has been adapted to the DB ranking.
Frames and helmets look-a-like reality (too bad that we can't put more than 127 brands into the game)
Real Palmares and Records for all races (aim is to have also for stages)
Compatible with JD Sponsorkits
Compatible with PCM Village Variants Pack

Tests with 2018 IA has begun and we expect it could be out in October
 
rapace85
ImthebestCoach wrote:
Hello everyone,

After 2017 version, it's time to move to Pro Cycling Manager 2018 and we are more ambitious than ever


More than 3500 riders
More than 330 teams (for single mode)
All UCI teams and some national & amateurs teams to have realistic participation
All UCI races
More than 100 startlists (the aim is to have all the real startlists for single mode)
Regen system has been adapted to the DB ranking.
Frames and helmets look-a-like reality (too bad that we can't put more than 127 brands into the game)
Real Palmares and Records for all races (aim is to have also for stages)
Compatible with JD Sponsorkits
Compatible with PCM Village Variants Pack

Tests with 2018 IA has begun and we expect it could be out in October


so, what DB are you talking about? Does it already exist, or it's just an announcement? Wink
 
jensi251
"we expect it could be out in October"
 
QQutec
no new real Sponsors ?
 
ImthebestCoach
Yes, it should be definitive version end of October but maybe a beta early October

Currently, we're discuss in our intern discord about hierarchy for each speciality in PCM and in each country.

Some tests about PCM's IA are also doing.The aim is to have more attacks in Mountain Stages from the leaders

Later,we'll work for new sponsors in Career Mode but most important for the moment is to have real races (even if sometimes stages are not graphically pretty but it's real profiles and not cdx)
 
digga
ImthebestCoach wrote:
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More than 330 teams (for single mode)
All UCI teams and some national & amateurs teams to have realistic participation


This is very interesting, on www.uci.ch/road/t... are only 210 Men's teams listed:
18 World Tour
27 Pro Continental
175 Continental teams

I do not understand why the other 120 teams should be necessary to have more teams than listed by the UCI in a "real team/name database"?? National or Amateur-teams do not participate in more than 1 or 2 races a year on pro-level and are not pro teams participating all year... Rolling Eyes
So with "real" real teams/names, your database should be ready in early September...Pfft
 
ImthebestCoach
digga wrote:
ImthebestCoach wrote:
.
.
.
More than 330 teams (for single mode)
All UCI teams and some national & amateurs teams to have realistic participation


This is very interesting, on www.uci.ch/road/t... are only 210 Men's teams listed:
18 World Tour
27 Pro Continental
175 Continental teams

I do not understand why the other 120 teams should be necessary to have more teams than listed by the UCI in a "real team/name database"?? National or Amateur-teams do not participate in more than 1 or 2 races a year on pro-level and are not pro teams participating all year... Rolling Eyes
So with "real" real teams/names, your database should be ready in early September...Pfft


I'm agree with you if you speak for "Career Mode"

But in "Single Race Mode", if you want to have the real startlist, you need to add some teams. For instance, in Turkish Races, you have more amateurs/national than pro teams
 
digga
Ok. I have never played asingle race mode, so not really interesting for me.

But why don't you work on carreer mode-teams. with all uci-listed teams? I don't know, if anybody else will do that. And a career mode with ALL uci-teams sounds more interesting to me.
I have not seen such a complete db for career mode anywhere for older versions.
 
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digga wrote:
Ok. I have never played asingle race mode, so not really interesting for me.

But why don't you work on carreer mode-teams. with all uci-listed teams? I don't know, if anybody else will do that. And a career mode with ALL uci-teams sounds more interesting to me.
I have not seen such a complete db for career mode anywhere for older versions.


*cough* WorldDB 2018 for PCM 2017 had all UCI teams. *cough*

Nonetheless, I disagree to be honest. A database like this with so many things could be great. We at the WorldDB restrict ourselves from going under Continental because we don't have the time to put in more and we want to set a limit so we don't overdo stuff.

There is definitely a market for database like the one ImthebestCoach is making with so many teams. I'll definitely use it when it's done. If he can make this non-Steam Workshop with editing the Local.cdb to add some divisions under conti, this could be amazing.
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digga


*cough* WorldDB 2018 for PCM 2017 had all UCI teams. *cough*

NOT TO BE FOUND ON PCM DOWNLOAD SECTION FOR PCM17...

Nonetheless, I disagree to be honest. A database like this with so many things could be great. We at the WorldDB restrict ourselves from going under Continental because we don't have the time to put in more and we want to set a limit so we don't overdo stuff.

ON: "https://www.uci.ch/road/teams/" THERE ARE 18 UCI WORLD TOUR TEAMS, 22 UCI PROFESSIONAL CONTINENTAL TEAMS AND 176 UCI CONTINENTAL TEAMS. - THAT'S THE COUNT OF TEAMS THAT I MEANT. SO I DIDN'T GO UNDER THIS LIMIT...IN WORLDDB for PCM17 THERE'S ONLY 95 UCI CONTINENTAL TEAMS...

There is definitely a market for database like the one ImthebestCoach is making with so many teams. I'll definitely use it when it's done. If he can make this non-Steam Workshop with editing the Local.cdb to add some divisions under conti, this could be amazing.

AS HE WROTE, IT IS ONLY FOR SINGLE RACE MODE, NOT FOR CAREER MODE...


So, if you are interested I can put in alle missing teams for your next database.

Now I am using "The PCM.Daily 2017 Expansion Pack" and Bugfix as basis for "my" DB, and there were more than 80 teams missing from the official UCI Continental teams list. It took about one week to put in all missing riders (and assign existing FREE riders to the added teams), but I have to put their rider values into the DB.
As I have never done editing for this game before, I hope, that I didn't miss anything to get it running. So this is for PCM17.

In 2018 there are still 18 ProTour teams, 27 Pro Continental and 175 Continental teams. - How many of them are planned for the new "WorldDB" for PCM18? If it's not 220 in total, please tell me which are not to be implemented and I can add them to have a complete DB then with all listed teams by the UCI. (and how I can get them to you, but without jerseys, sorry. I am too dumb to understand how to make a jersey. I just found a tutorial by a norwegian kid, without using a mouse arrow to see what he was doing).

P.S.: uci.ch is the most important source to have a DB with really ALL reported and authorized teams. Not more, not less.
Edited by digga on 08-08-2018 00:40
 
BenjiNaesen
digga wrote:


*cough* WorldDB 2018 for PCM 2017 had all UCI teams. *cough*

NOT TO BE FOUND ON PCM DOWNLOAD SECTION FOR PCM17...

Nonetheless, I disagree to be honest. A database like this with so many things could be great. We at the WorldDB restrict ourselves from going under Continental because we don't have the time to put in more and we want to set a limit so we don't overdo stuff.

ON: "https://www.uci.ch/road/teams/" THERE ARE 18 UCI WORLD TOUR TEAMS, 22 UCI PROFESSIONAL CONTINENTAL TEAMS AND 176 UCI CONTINENTAL TEAMS. - THAT'S THE COUNT OF TEAMS THAT I MEANT. SO I DIDN'T GO UNDER THIS LIMIT...IN WORLDDB for PCM17 THERE'S ONLY 95 UCI CONTINENTAL TEAMS...

There is definitely a market for database like the one ImthebestCoach is making with so many teams. I'll definitely use it when it's done. If he can make this non-Steam Workshop with editing the Local.cdb to add some divisions under conti, this could be amazing.

AS HE WROTE, IT IS ONLY FOR SINGLE RACE MODE, NOT FOR CAREER MODE...


So, if you are interested I can put in alle missing teams for your next database.

Now I am using "The PCM.Daily 2017 Expansion Pack" and Bugfix as basis for "my" DB, and there were more than 80 teams missing from the official UCI Continental teams list. It took about one week to put in all missing riders (and assign existing FREE riders to the added teams), but I have to put their rider values into the DB.
As I have never done editing for this game before, I hope, that I didn't miss anything to get it running. So this is for PCM17.

In 2018 there are still 18 ProTour teams, 27 Pro Continental and 175 Continental teams. - How many of them are planned for the new "WorldDB" for PCM18? If it's not 220 in total, please tell me which are not to be implemented and I can add them to have a complete DB then with all listed teams by the UCI. (and how I can get them to you, but without jerseys, sorry. I am too dumb to understand how to make a jersey. I just found a tutorial by a norwegian kid, without using a mouse arrow to see what he was doing).

P.S.: uci.ch is the most important source to have a DB with really ALL reported and authorized teams. Not more, not less.


First of all, we're not here to go into a WorldDB discussion, this is the thread for ultracompleteDB, but here's my answer:

Obviously, we don't put it our database on this website since we are a workshop database? What's your point? Smile I couldn't care less about downloads off-Steam for our database ^^ The only thing it supports are pirated players.

We've obviously got waaaay more than 95 continental teams ^^ You're checking the wrong on of the two WorldDB's on the workshop. Our version for PCM 18 already has 166 of them in the coming version and we haven't even added all the ones we had last year yet. 10 to go.

Third of all, this database is pretty fine for careers, even with lower tier teams. ^^ ImTheBestCoach is a great database editor and should be more confident of his database. It can handle careers, it's not standard for a career to have that many teams but it's good.
Edited by BenjiNaesen on 09-08-2018 12:22
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sgdanny
Obviously, we don't put it our database on this website since we are a workshop database? What's your point? Smile I couldn't care less about downloads off-Steam for our database ^^ The only thing it supports are pirated players.


Don't wanna turn this into a discussion. But please be respectful, if you do not already know our cdb's are now exclusive only to steam workshop to prevent support piracy.

Now let's stay on topic here and if needed take this discussion elsewhere
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BenjiNaesen
sgdanny wrote:
Obviously, we don't put it our database on this website since we are a workshop database? What's your point? Smile I couldn't care less about downloads off-Steam for our database ^^ The only thing it supports are pirated players.


Don't wanna turn this into a discussion. But please be respectful, if you do not already know our cdb's are now exclusive only to steam workshop to prevent support piracy.

Now let's stay on topic here and if needed take this discussion elsewhere


Sgd, I know. Wasn't remotely meant at Daily in any way. Sorry if it felt that way. Good work this year Smile

Was just debunking his point that a database needs to be on the download section of daily for it to count as a database. Smile

Anyway, my on-topic point stands. Great idea by ImTheBestCoach. Keep it up. I'll play it once it's done.
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ImthebestCoach
Yes, we are more than confident. We do the pack for PCM2017 and with few adjustments, we could make the pack out for PCM2018

Our biggest challenge is the graphic part.

For the stats, we're thinking like PCM thinks. We discuss hierarchy on each races and for each country to be sure we are realist and then we adjust stats

To speak with numbers - currently I have :

- In my DYN_Cyclist, I have 4797 Riders
- In my DYN_Team, I have 358 teams
- In my DYN_Palmares_Cyclist, I have 32458 riders (need to see if it's ok with table limit once db generated)
- In my STA_Race, I have 492 Races
- In my startlist folders, I have 122 files
- In my STA_Region, I have 475 Regions
- In my STA_roster_listraces, I have 1500 lines

You could play in Career Mode with this DB without problems but some teams are not available in Career Mode (they appear as Free Teams, they don't make transfers and they haven't rosters - they're only here for real startlists)

How do we select teams for Career Mode ?

For each country, we're watching startlist and we select teams who rides the most.

For instance, for Turkey, we have

Spoiler
TORKU 8
MINSK 8
BRISASPOR 7
BAKU 7
SAPURA 6
SAKARYA 6
ASTANA CITY 6
APPLE 5
CAPPADOCIA 5
LVIV 4
VINO 4
CCC 3
TULA 3
TASHKENT 3
BRO TEAM 3
ESTONIA NT 3
FIBARLI 3
STEAUA 2
OMIDNIA 2
ERITEL 2
GEORGIA NT 2
EMBRACETHEWORLD 2
TREVIGIANI 2
WILIER 2
UKRAIN NT 2
BNP 2
LATVIA NT 2
BORA 1
BIKE AID 1
DYNAMO 1
BARDIANI 1
GUN AY 1
CAJA RURAL 1
ASTANA 1
FELBERMAYR 1
ANDRONI 1
GAZPROM 1
GLOBAL 1
BANSKA BYSTRICA 1
POLARTEC 1
VIB 1
VERANCLASSIC 1
UR-KROSTITZER 1
UAE 1
TZAR SIMEUN 1
TURKEY NT 1
TREK 1
TRAKYA 1
TRACK ASTANA 1
TIROL 1
TIFOSI 1
SWISS NT 1
HAGENS 1
NOVAK 1
MONKEY TOWN 1
MARDIN 1
LOKOMOTIV 1
YESIL 1
LEOPARD 1
AKROS 1
KOBANYA 1
IRAN NT 1
HOLOWESKO 1
HERNING 1
TARTELETTO 1


So we keep as amateurs teams : Brisaspor, Sakarya, Cappadocia, Tula, Bro Team, Fibarli, Steaua, Ertiel, Embracetheworld, Ukrain NT, Georgia NT, Estonia NT

By this way, we have also riders in NC
 
cristiano
Hi Coach can you make a list with the team available for a career mode and make one with those not available thanks
 
ImthebestCoach
Hello Cristiano,

We didn't finalize the list on which team will be in career mode and each day, we add teams (today, I've add 2 austrian teams, 2 german teams and a croatian)
 
cristiano
wow..... but how many teams would you make in your db???? and.... have you all jerseys for this teams?
 
ImthebestCoach
We don't know yet the final numbers of teams.

Our aim is to have all the real startlists.

You pointed the problem. We missed some shirtmakers :-(
 
digga
ImthebestCoach wrote:
Yes, we are more than confident. We do the pack for PCM2017 and with few adjustments, we could make the pack out for PCM2018

Our biggest challenge is the graphic part.

For the stats, we're thinking like PCM thinks. We discuss hierarchy on each races and for each country to be sure we are realist and then we adjust stats

To speak with numbers - currently I have :

- In my DYN_Cyclist, I have 4797 Riders
- In my DYN_Team, I have 358 teams
- In my DYN_Palmares_Cyclist, I have 32458 riders (need to see if it's ok with table limit once db generated)
- In my STA_Race, I have 492 Races
- In my startlist folders, I have 122 files
- In my STA_Region, I have 475 Regions
- In my STA_roster_listraces, I have 1500 lines

You could play in Career Mode with this DB without problems but some teams are not available in Career Mode (they appear as Free Teams, they don't make transfers and they haven't rosters - they're only here for real startlists)

How do we select teams for Career Mode ?

For each country, we're watching startlist and we select teams who rides the most.

For instance, for Turkey, we have

Spoiler
TORKU 8
MINSK 8
BRISASPOR 7
BAKU 7
SAPURA 6
SAKARYA 6
ASTANA CITY 6
APPLE 5
CAPPADOCIA 5
LVIV 4
VINO 4
CCC 3
TULA 3
TASHKENT 3
BRO TEAM 3
ESTONIA NT 3
FIBARLI 3
STEAUA 2
OMIDNIA 2
ERITEL 2
GEORGIA NT 2
EMBRACETHEWORLD 2
TREVIGIANI 2
WILIER 2
UKRAIN NT 2
BNP 2
LATVIA NT 2
BORA 1
BIKE AID 1
DYNAMO 1
BARDIANI 1
GUN AY 1
CAJA RURAL 1
ASTANA 1
FELBERMAYR 1
ANDRONI 1
GAZPROM 1
GLOBAL 1
BANSKA BYSTRICA 1
POLARTEC 1
VIB 1
VERANCLASSIC 1
UR-KROSTITZER 1
UAE 1
TZAR SIMEUN 1
TURKEY NT 1
TREK 1
TRAKYA 1
TRACK ASTANA 1
TIROL 1
TIFOSI 1
SWISS NT 1
HAGENS 1
NOVAK 1
MONKEY TOWN 1
MARDIN 1
LOKOMOTIV 1
YESIL 1
LEOPARD 1
AKROS 1
KOBANYA 1
IRAN NT 1
HOLOWESKO 1
HERNING 1
TARTELETTO 1


So we keep as amateurs teams : Brisaspor, Sakarya, Cappadocia, Tula, Bro Team, Fibarli, Steaua, Ertiel, Embracetheworld, Ukrain NT, Georgia NT, Estonia NT

By this way, we have also riders in NC


After nearly having finished my "own" database, I have noticed, that it mighty be necessary to have more "amateur"-teams in the game. As I found out, that there are quite a lot of these teams participating on UCI-mionor races. Yesterday I found some stats of the "Tour de Rwanda" and saw, that more than half of the teams are not listed by the uci...
But I would like to implement them on "career mode". So how should this be possible to do?

For explanation:
A few weeks ago I bought PCM 17 from second hand. -The last version of pcm I did play before was PCM 10. So I was used to have a look on pcmdaily to get new stuff for the game, new races, new teams etc.

To understand right: the "biggest databases" are only to find on steam and not on any pcm-site (pcmdaily, pcmspain, legroupetto)?

And will the UltracompleteDB for PCM2018 be useable for PCM17 aswell (or was the "Ultracomplete DB" built for PCM17 aswell)? Or do I need to buy PCM 18 to get it from steam?

The longer I am thinking about this DB, the cooler it gets. On the other hand, I have just bought PCM 17, is there any way to get the "amateur teams" for the "old" version (e.g. only jerseys & transferts, I can put them into the db myself)? I am too stupid, to make jerseys on my own...
Edited by digga on 19-08-2018 18:25
 
ImthebestCoach
We've made a first version on PCM2017 (with only 318 teams)

https://legruppet...amp;t=8983

This is the basis of our PCM2018 pack.

We're looking a way to made "amateurs" teams not getting into "Continental Ranking" but racing and doing transferts in Career.

We're trying a lot of things (some succeeds, some not). One of those things we failed is to put more potentiels (16 instead of 8)
 
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