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No way!!!
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:41
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The grand tours no longer part of pro-tour [url]
https://www.velone...399.0.html[/url]
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:41
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Yup they are solo races now  ASO wanted like that hate them
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:45
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seems like you've been on holiday for a few weeks 
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:48
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https://www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthr...rowstart=0
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:48
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It sucks big time.
I mean, the ProTour was the perfect format of the Pro Cycling Calendar. It was a great feature that teams could get promoted and relegated, but through some stupid bureaucracy these rules weren't even followed as Unibet weren't even allowed to the ProTour races. It's like there was no real foundation in this format, eventhough it's perfect in theory. Now, the ProTour is nothing without the GTs and apparently almost every single April classics aren't going to feature on the PT calendar either anymore.
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Posted on 27-09-2007 21:51
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Paris Roubaix in Europe Calendar that's the biggest bullshit i ever hear .... and Gent Wevelgem is there
They are French good dammit they are so stupid...
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:23
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what is happening with the sport cycling. OMFG! how can they do this!! |
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:25
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Simple mate they have the power if i would have the power like them 3 races out for good Plouay not interesting Hew Classic and TTT hate that too 
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:40
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I would like to see the big teams boycott the ASO races. As much as it would hurt to do that, i would think they would have to accept the pro tour.
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:42
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stemple wrote:
I would like to see the big teams boycott the ASO races. As much as it would hurt to do that, i would think they would have to accept the pro tour.
I dont think Bouygues will go to australia... or CSC... it's so fked up
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:51
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I just hope the 'CyaTopTour' doesnt change at all
The ProTour system works really well in PCM.
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:52
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SportingNonsense wrote:
I just hope the 'CyaTopTour' doesnt change at all
The ProTour system works really well in PCM.
Yup Yup 
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Posted on 27-09-2007 22:56
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setzel wrote:
stemple wrote:
I would like to see the big teams boycott the ASO races. As much as it would hurt to do that, i would think they would have to accept the pro tour.
I dont think Bouygues will go to australia... or CSC... it's so fked up
they go there every year, so there's no reason they would stop going now.
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Posted on 27-09-2007 23:23
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Dang i miss stuff very, very, very easily |
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Posted on 28-09-2007 09:57
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setzel wrote:
Paris Roubaix in Europe Calendar that's the biggest bullshit i ever hear .... and Gent Wevelgem is there
They are French good dammit they are so stupid... From the bottom of my heart : thank you.
Pro Tour in its current format sucks balls anyway. It makes no sense to force Euskaltel to ride Paris-Roubaix, to force team to go to Plouay, or to have Bouygues in the Vuelta. It doesn't make more sense to get a classification to compare sprinters with GT riders and classics men.
Teams are interested in being part of the Pro Tour, just because it makes them sure they'll get a TDF spot. No TDF = (almost) no interest in Pro Tour.
And stop saying ASO quitted the Pro Tour to get Agritubel in the TDF. Agritubel fits there, they're the best French Continental Pro team. I can't see any other CP French team being in TDF. Don't kid me with Bretagne - Armor Lux or Roubaix, please.
Nobody complains about smaller Italian or Spanish teams being in Giro or Vuelta, what's wrong with Agritubel in TDF ?
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Posted on 28-09-2007 10:11
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Aquarius i like Agritubel they have mercado and the spanish riders if they weren't there agritubel will sucked hard! but with them they are good
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Posted on 28-09-2007 10:24
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It's the same for most contiental teams : remove their best riders and they will suck.
Feillu got top 5 and won a couple of races in the Contiental calendar too. Vogondy behaved well a couple of times as well. And I didn't check all their results. |
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Posted on 28-09-2007 10:55
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Aquarius wrote:
setzel wrote:
Paris Roubaix in Europe Calendar that's the biggest bullshit i ever hear .... and Gent Wevelgem is there
They are French good dammit they are so stupid... From the bottom of my heart : thank you.
Pro Tour in its current format sucks balls anyway. It makes no sense to force Euskaltel to ride Paris-Roubaix, to force team to go to Plouay, or to have Bouygues in the Vuelta. It doesn't make more sense to get a classification to compare sprinters with GT riders and classics men.
Teams are interested in being part of the Pro Tour, just because it makes them sure they'll get a TDF spot. No TDF = (almost) no interest in Pro Tour.
And stop saying ASO quitted the Pro Tour to get Agritubel in the TDF. Agritubel fits there, they're the best French Continental Pro team. I can't see any other CP French team being in TDF. Don't kid me with Bretagne - Armor Lux or Roubaix, please.
Nobody complains about smaller Italian or Spanish teams being in Giro or Vuelta, what's wrong with Agritubel in TDF ?
I agree with you that the current format needs to be tweeked. I think the pro tour should be like this:
-When you get a pro tour license i think you should be able to compete in any of the pro tour events. (When i say events i mean the pro tour events of say this year, not the new calendar) This would allow your team to compete in any of the events they wanted to, and they could skips events that don't suit them, say Euskatel in P-R. And when a team decides not to ride a race for any particualar reason, that slot can then be used on a wild card team that the organizers choose.
And in cases when all pro tour teams are there, the race organizers can still add an extra wild card spot if they want to.
I think promotion and relegation is also an accept that i would look at but that is for another time and date.
I would think both parties would be happy with this, because teams have that guarantee of getting in the races they want, and the organizers would have to ability to invite teams they would want.
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Posted on 28-09-2007 11:00
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I agree with that, but with at least three things to be tweaked again :
- some races have nothing to do in the Pro Tour : Plouay, Poland, etc.
- there are too many teams in the Pro Tour. 16 to 12 would be enough, let the other spots be for wild-cards
- a minimum of participations would be mandatory. A team shouldn't be Pro Tour and withdraw their participation to all events if they wanted to, which would be case with your system. |
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Posted on 28-09-2007 11:01
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good points of which i had not thought of
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