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Vino has tested positive
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| Crommy |
Posted on 25-07-2007 08:40
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Blood doping increases your amount of blood (duh), and therefore increases the amounts of haemoglobin you have, therefore you can take in more oxygen and ride harder and faster 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 09:17
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Crommy wrote:
Blood doping increases your amount of blood (duh), and therefore increases the amounts of haemoglobin you have, therefore you can take in more oxygen and ride harder and faster
not exactly, but almost.
usually a month before the tour, you go to a mountain training camp. in the mountains the air is far thinner, therefore oxygen isn't as available. after a few days there your body naturally produces more red blood cells (the ones that carry oxygen), while the amount of blood stays the same. if you had more blood, the amount of red cells per quantity of blood would stay the same and you'd get no advantage whatsoever. this is why some south americans make great climbers. a few of them lived their entire lives at high altitude so already have a high blood cell count naturally.
then you make one extreme effort, give it all you have to maximize those cells (remember Vino winning the time trial at the Dauphine?), take out the blood that is stacked with red cells and freeze it.
the next stage, slow down because you'll be very weak (remember Vino in the mountains of the Dauphine, the day after the time trial?)
a month later, put in the blood, and voilá! you're stacked with red blood cells.
according to Jon Vaughters (slipstream manager and former US Postal/Discovery rider), that's why last year Popovych and Savoldelli got dropped on the Aubisque (curiously, today's stage finishes on the Aubisque), then the next day they "magically could follow Azevedo again". you know what surprises me about that statement by him? not the part about the discovery team being doped, but the part about Azevedo NOT being. I find that one hard to believe.
anyway, I'm getting a bit off-course. hope that explained it well.
Edited by issoisso on 25-07-2007 09:19
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| SonDaan |
Posted on 25-07-2007 09:28
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what will they do with the stage wins of Vino? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 09:33
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probably the same they've done with other dopers. ignore them. after all, it isn't much use to look to the past... |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 10:03
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They can give Cadel the TT win fcourse. But a normal stage: is better to keep that for Vino! |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 10:11
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i am really dizgusted so like Zdf i will sleep the today stage of TdF i will not watch anymore TdF this year i am really sorry to say that but to many dopheads dunno who to have faith and support his true abilities so in the final i will wathc TdF when Rogers will come back ... next year
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 10:25
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Rabobank's Theo de Rooij says they've asked Riis if they can take a good look at CSC's anti-doping program so that they can start a similar program next year, according to eurosport.
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Posted on 25-07-2007 10:45
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issoisso wrote:
Rabobank's Theo de Rooij says they've asked Riis if they can take a good look at CSC's anti-doping program so that they can start a similar program next year, according to eurosport.
Now they have to give some cheer for Riis work. After Riis fear and straight statemant that he used EPO in 90-s. everyone like to see him quit the job. I like Riis for his passion about cycling...ASO is more like political organization who's war against doping is more like war to get more power. |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 10:55
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Few days ago I thought ..why the hell estonian TV dont broadcast TdF...sport nr.2 in europe. Now I have to say thank good they dont, when I read most respective estonian sport web site where they say: Vino has come TdF main favorite after Dauphine explosive ride... |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 12:05
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as it turns out, Kirchen said after he came second behind Vinokourov on monday: "oficially I'm second today, but in reality I know that I've won". journalist asked him why he felt he was the true winner. he declined to answer.
this was a day before Vino's positive. |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 12:11
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"It's a mistake. I never doped, that's not the way I see my profession.
"I think it's a mistake in part due to my crash. I have spoken to the team doctors who had a hypothesis that there was an enormous amount of blood in my thighs, which could have led to my positive test. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 12:17
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he actually said that? |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 12:21
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Yes..
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/2507200...oping.html |
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Posted on 25-07-2007 12:24
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That is quite possibly the worst excuse I've ever heard - having too much blood does not alter the fact that you've got two different person's blood in you 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 12:26
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about now the complaints by the kazakhstani government that Borat brings down the reputation of the country should be disappearing... |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 25-07-2007 12:27
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Crommy wrote:
That is quite possibly the worst excuse I've ever heard - having too much blood does not alter the fact that you've got two different person's blood in you
This is most pathetic exscuse what I have ever seen. |
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| SonDaan |
Posted on 25-07-2007 12:35
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Chek the topic about the Tour. New Doping-News!!! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2007 13:40
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Vino's sample from the second stage he won was tested. positive also. |
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| SonDaan |
Posted on 25-07-2007 13:41
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i just heard too.
But people are more believing that is is caused because of his fall...But i don't believe that! Rider better because of a fall...? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 25-07-2007 13:42
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issoisso wrote:
Vino's sample from the second stage he won was tested. positive also.
What I cant understand is why?..TdF win was gone. I in his place started to focus how protect Vuelta win. |
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