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Vino has tested positive
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 24-07-2007 18:01
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I think the whole Tour seems somewhat rodden inside out.
When Sinkewitz is tested positive in a hospital - and not by the Tour...
It seems like the holes are wide and the whole thing stinks.
Then again - Vino's "mistake" could be made up by a ferious rage and sorrow - he didn't compete last year, this year he was favourite and crashed. He might have been angry. But does blood doping work from one day to another?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2007 18:02
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Phanekim wrote:
I mean while watching the last stage. I mean seriously how many digs did Contador put in? like 4-5 in 10km? wtf? I mean seriously...wtf?
As far as Valverde goes, I dont know, he's looked quite human in the vuelta and this year's tdf. If there's a similarity i'd put him in the Cunego group. Him and Cunego might have doped but have now stopped cause the sport is cleaning up forcing them not to cheat. Thats just my gut feeling.
I sincerely hope he has stopped. but I should know better by now...
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PS, isso, it incenses me to no end as well. What is worse with Vino is that there was so much scrutiny going into this TDF with him and HE STILL CHOSE to dope. And in doing so he completely obliterated the field in the time trial.
Which makes you wonder about rasmussen. A guy who lost like 6 minutes in a time trial to finish on the podium a few years ago. Makes you really say, "hrmmm...."
weird. this part didn't appear in your post. then I chose to quote it and it magically appeared. weird.
anyway, I don't think Rasmussen is doing anything different than in 2005. whether for the good or for the bad. that TT was flat. so is next saturday's where he will lose very much more than he lost the other day.
also, in 2005 he had a crash and 4 bike changes. enough lost time and rhythm breaks to lose him time and screw with his head, losing him even more.
Addy291 wrote:
To be honest i will now put all my faith in Contador and say he is definatley not doped.
i really don't think he is doped, i feel he is a young punchy cyclist who is at the moment too punchy for some of the old climbers in the pack.
whereas Rasmussen, i didn't doubt him until that TT where he finished 11th, i doubt in a field of 12 riders he would ever finish 11th,
i'm not concerned by his performance in the mountains as i feel he is the 2nd best climber in the ProTour, better by Piepoli. The only worry i have is his ability to hold on as well as he is to the favourites, as we are more normally seeing him going solo over the mountains.
But i also think Rasmussen may be clean
Contador rode for Manolo Saiz. if he rode there for a year or two, I'd believe that, but riding there for so many years and not get into what has been acknowledged was systematic there? I find it hard to believe.
what makes me even more sceptic is that the media were all reporting he was meeting with T-Mobile last fall.
then suddenly he signs with Discovery and T-Mobile's Bob Stapleton that very day tells the press "we've had riders decline us the moment they hear about the anti-doping program", and then he signs for one of the more suspect teams on the peloton...fishy
on a side note, Piepoli is currently suspended...
Edited by issoisso on 24-07-2007 18:05
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:04
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the only "amazing" thing Cunego ever did was the way he won the Giro di Lombardia in 2004. the Giro that year was because no one knew him so they let him go in a break. so he got a big advantage that nobody though he would keep.
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:07
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yes i know there may be holes in my beliefs
but as i say i have faith in both Contador and Piepoli as the Disco team can't be one of the more suspect teams in the peleton, have you seen how many wins they have had this year and last, they haven't accumalated many, so either they aren't doping or they're trying to but actually injecting lemonade instead
and Piepoli, well this will sound 100% stupid, but i believe he may have doped in the past but this year he is old enough to know better (yep that sounded stupid...oh, well )
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:10
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kazakstaaaan greatest country of the world 
1 positive aspect (hate the word positive): netherlands will be sure of top 10 pro tour now |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2007 18:12
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I'm just adding one thing now:
well done ASO. reject Unibet but accept Astana, will you?
I wonder how many Unibets have tested positive so far... |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:16
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issoisso wrote:
I'm just adding one thing now:
well done ASO. reject Unibet but accept Astana, will you?
I wonder how many Unibets have tested positive so far...
Was thinking exacly the same thing... |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:33
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Astana has announced that it is suspending Vinokourov "effective immediately".
shall you laugh or shall I? |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:36
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i suppose you can if you want
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:50
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Sad, I really liked Vino. His never give up attitude and his way of attacking every single time he gets the oppurtunity...
But, I guess we were all expecting this... Astana just has doping spelled all over it (actually, if you remove all letters from Astana and put in some new ones you get the word DOPED). It`s really just a question about time before Savoldelli, Klöden and Kaschechkin tests positive to...
I guess Vinokourov was so pissed off by doing so crappy in the tour. He`s getting old and this my be his last change for stage victory. And he really doesn`t have anything to lose (he`s probobly allready got millions of euro, so losing a year of wage isn`t really that much of a disaster for him)
I personally think that just losing money doesn`t scare a cyclist enough. The only possibility this sport has to become clean is to give prison-penalties (like 6 months or so) It will never happen, but THAT would surtenly scare the cyclists to get clean. |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 18:52
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I've only just got my damn computer working again, so I'll have to just echo everyone's words - how stupid is he using someone else's blood 
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Posted on 24-07-2007 19:23
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well Astana desrved his mentality of my shit list team. |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:09
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Jaksche about "a new top rider" of the 2006 Liberty Seguros team
"I don't want to burden any riders," Jaksche told 'Der Spiegel'. But he did. Even if he doesn't mention any names it is clear which rider Jaksche meant when he said: "Saiz [Manolo Saiz, team manager of Liberty seguros] had problems with a top rider from his team, who moveed to Liberty Seguros at the beginning of the year [2006] and who had a bad spring. The rider and his manager [Tony Rominger], who was my manager for five years as well, pressured Saiz. They wanted better medical care and Saiz got involved. He was stucked between a rock and a hard place: The top rider is expensive, Saiz had to justify himself for his sponsors. (...) Saiz returned to Fuentes because of this rider, that's why he had to pay those debts, that's why the whole thing came out."
This is from Jorg. Hrmm.
I also have no doubt Contador will be matched up to Puerto.
PS, isso, i forgot about Rasmussen's 2005 TT and you are correct in saying that the stage 20 tt is flat.
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:29
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issoisso wrote:
also, in 2005 he had a crash and 4 bike changes. enough lost time and rhythm breaks to lose him time and screw with his head, losing him even more.
to be correct isso, Rasmussen crashed twice, but seen as i'm in a fairly good mood, i'll let you off with this one
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:35
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Addy291 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
also, in 2005 he had a crash and 4 bike changes. enough lost time and rhythm breaks to lose him time and screw with his head, losing him even more.
to be correct isso, Rasmussen crashed twice, but seen as i'm in a fairly good mood, i'll let you off with this one
bah. now you'll make me go through the live report of the stage
EDIT: you're right. so...you've just reinforced my previous point about him being better than the 6 minutes he lost that day. thanks 
Edited by issoisso on 24-07-2007 20:38
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:39
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no worries isso, just doing my job
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:51
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it's hard to know that my favorite rider has been doped , i hope the lab made a mistake and for contador and rasmussen i think they are not doped but vino let me down so i guess they will |
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Posted on 24-07-2007 20:55
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the lab may have made a mistake, like with Petacchi, but i doubt it, sorry magnum
he was one of my favourite riders also
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2007 21:00
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Addy291 wrote:
the lab may have made a mistake, like with Petacchi, but i doubt it, sorry magnum
he was one of my favourite riders also
the lab did not make a mistake with Petacchi. simply the commitee accepted his explanation as having used too much asthma medicine. it's a plausible explanation, really.
in the case of Vinokourov, the A sample was positive. I remember reading a few months ago that since 1997, in hundreds of thousands of tests done in every sport, there were three (that's right, 3) B samples that came back in disagreement with the A sample.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2007 21:01
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They all looks suspicious . Why this guy is that good...and why he is so slow. I belive in cycling we got 60% cycling and 40% doping in cycling in media. And media knows this is hot stuff. Myself looking like stupid i know I should be suspicious..but if I see good race I forget about that. After scandal of corse I am dissapointed..but then when the race starts I forget all that. And for shure it's about time to do something against dopers. |
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