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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-10-2007 07:38
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Blood transfusion is detected only when it's somebody else's blood I reckon.
Dynepo isn't officially traceable now (which saved Rasmussen's ass so far). Actually only the good old epo (used by poor riders, or desperate ones) can be traced, there's a couple of new EPO available for a couple of years now, among them dynEPO.
Growth Hormon can only be traced during the first hours after it was taken, his effects last months or years though...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-10-2007 08:35
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Smoothie wrote:
I would laugh if they put a ban on Carbohydrates!! 
well, they are bad for you, so they could theoretically be banned (I'm being sarcastic by the way)
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-10-2007 09:16
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carbohydrates : carbo, hydr, ates, : CxHyOz
Oh God, that's nothing but a scientifical way to mean sugar (glucose, fructose, whatever...)  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-10-2007 10:23
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Aquarius wrote:
Blood transfusion is detected only when it's somebody else's blood I reckon.
Dynepo isn't officially traceable now (which saved Rasmussen's ass so far). Actually only the good old epo (used by poor riders, or desperate ones) can be traced, there's a couple of new EPO available for a couple of years now, among them dynEPO.
Growth Hormon can only be traced during the first hours after it was taken, his effects last months or years though...
About the blood transfusion-thing: Some Danish scientists have found away to detect "your own blood". They talked a lot about it when Vino was caught. The test should be available very soon. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 05-10-2007 15:42
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issoisso wrote:
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Why do we have to be haters?
what exactly do you mean?
Sorry. American slang. Translated: "Why do we have to say bad things about other people?"
Another related slang phrase, "Don't hate the playa (player), hate the game." |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 05-10-2007 15:55
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I think issoisso knows that. I just don't think he understands what makes you say that.
I'm not a hater, though. But I admit that I don't like teams which obviously hurt / damage the sport's credibility (in my opinion).
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-10-2007 18:02
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I don't know whether I'm a hater or not. I'd say I'm one, but I sleep well, and I wouldn't kill any one related to pro cycling, so I'm not such a hater either.
I'm standing together with clean riders, most French riders who turned pro after 1998 are my age, or were the top juniors and espoirs when I started riding. They get spoiled daily by doped riders. Then you see people mocking them, as well on forums as among the peloton (see the topic about Da Cruz interview).
Those people mocking the poor performances of clean riders (all clean riders, not only the French ones, and no : all French ain't clean), are deeply despicable, I think I hate them. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 05-10-2007 18:16
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Why is it that the French have not had many dopers? Is it a cultural/national ethics thing? |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-10-2007 18:19
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Why is it that the French have not had many dopers? Is it a cultural/national ethics thing?
that's a good question, and i don't have the answe, but i will say something extremley out of the ordinary
i applaude the french riders for being mind-blowingly awful and still not turning to doping
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-10-2007 18:21
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Considering a treatment of EPO is worth somewhere around 4-5 minutes up the Alpe d'Huez (that's ONE climb ), I wouldn't call them awful at all. I make fun of french teams some times, but it's all light-hearted.
I believe the fact they don't turn to doping as much has a lot to do with the Festina affair and the scarring it left.
Edited by issoisso on 05-10-2007 18:21
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 05-10-2007 18:24
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issoisso wrote:
Considering a treatment of EPO is worth somewhere around 4-5 minutes up the Alpe d'Huez (that's ONE climb ), I wouldn't call them awful at all. I make fun of french teams some times, but it's all light-hearted.
yes i realise saying they were awful is an exaggeration as they are still professionals, i just make fun of them really as teams like Bouygues are not good at all, in comparison with others (PT and CT) but are kept in the ProTour simply because they're French
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 06-10-2007 10:05
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Why is it that the French have not had many dopers? Is it a cultural/national ethics thing? We had as many, if not even more of them, as the others till 1998 and the Festina affair.
Then things have started changing, although many things are far from perfect. It's been commonly accepted that it was better to have less results and to become a top-10 nation in cycling than to be a top-3 nation with plenty of good results obtained thanks to doping, so organised team doping disappeared in French teams at that time.
As I said before, everybody in France doesn't think that way, but the majority does. And riders who turned pro after 1998 are much much cleaner than those who turned pro before and who were fed with dope.
Some teams are still closing their eyes on doping though, although I don't think they're organising it themselves : AG2R is a blatant example. Cofidis before 2004 was another one. |
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Posted on 06-10-2007 10:06
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Addy291 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Considering a treatment of EPO is worth somewhere around 4-5 minutes up the Alpe d'Huez (that's ONE climb ), I wouldn't call them awful at all. I make fun of french teams some times, but it's all light-hearted.
yes i realise saying they were awful is an exaggeration as they are still professionals, i just make fun of them really as teams like Bouygues are not good at all, in comparison with others (PT and CT) but are kept in the ProTour simply because they're French Nationality is not taken into consideration for Pro Tour licences. 
There are three main conditions : money, ethic, results.
They may lack results, but they're quite reliable on both the other aspects. |
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Posted on 06-10-2007 10:26
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a lot of interesting news today here:
(too many interesting ones for me to write down here )
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?i.../oct06news
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 06-10-2007 10:35
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The end of Wiesenhof
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 06-10-2007 10:35
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bad news for Wiesenhof, Cavendish but good news for Phinney, Kroon and whatever else news there was
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Posted on 06-10-2007 10:37
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I believe Cavendish will make it. He is injured and still makes 2nd behind Steegmans and beating Allan Davis.
Btw, where is Davis going to??
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| odenkos |
Posted on 06-10-2007 10:41
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"Team Wiesenhof comes to an end"  At least Peter Velits will have more of a chance to find another team since he's the U23 World Champ.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 06-10-2007 11:17
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jolly_antunes wrote:
I believe Cavendish will make it. He is injured and still makes 2nd behind Steegmans and beating Allan Davis.
Btw, where is Davis going to??
Cavendish isnt injured
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 06-10-2007 11:24
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Cavendish isnt injured
He crashed in the first stage
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