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Aquarius
CrueTrue wrote:
Rasmussen has not admitted to De Rooy that it was true. He's stated that several times. Only De Rooy is saying that he has admitted. And in my opinion, De Rooy only said that because he needed a reason for firing Rasmussen. The real reason is still that ASO pressured him.
ASO wants a credible cycling. Rasmussen lied, related to doping or not, about his whereabouts. As he's a liar he doesn't go along with the image of clean cycling ASO wants. Thus ASO pressured Rabobank to throw him out (of Le Tour, not necessarily to sack him).

Rasmussen could have put Rabobank in troubles with the UCI, had Rabobank supported him in his lies. Which is why they not only removed him from the Tour squad but fired him.

Putting the blame on ASO here is targetting the wrong people, I think.
 
CrueTrue
Rasmussen didn't lie about his whereabouts. What's your source? Theo De Rooy? That's fine, but Rasmussen denies it - so it's his, De Rooy's, word against Rasmussen's.
Also, your "ASO wants clean and credible cycling" - are you sure? Do you remember who won Tour de France 2007? Oh, right - an OP-rider.
Edited by CrueTrue on 01-10-2007 15:29
 
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stemple
I agree that there is technically no evidence of his doping, as you say crue. I was just saying that by not reporting his whereabouts, he broke the rules and that should be reason enough to eject him from the Le Tour.
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CrueTrue
The rules state that you're allowed to get 3 warnings. Rasmussen got 2. Also, remember that it's secret information which was leaked by the Danish Cycling Federation, because they are running a personal vendetta against him.

I'm sure, if all the riders' warnings were public information, we would see a lot of riders with two warnings - also riders who rode Tour de France.
 
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Aquarius
CrueTrue wrote:
Rasmussen didn't lie about his whereabouts. What's your source? Theo De Rooy? That's fine, but Rasmussen denies it - so it's his, De Rooy's, word against Rasmussen's.
Also, your "ASO wants clean and credible cycling" - are you sure? Do you remember who won Tour de France 2007? Oh, right - an OP-rider.

If we consider Rasmussen's words are not worth more or less than De Rooy's, and that same goes with Cassani's we can do a little mathematics Pfft 1=1, 1=1, 1+1=2>1. Two men words are more trustable than one single man words. One would have reasons to lie, which reasons have the other two ?
You need a friggin' lot of faith to believe Rasmussen in such a case.

They want a clean cycling, yes, I know (them too ?) that there are many dopeheads left after Rasmussen in the TDF GC, but that doesn't mean that cheating is fine and Rasmussen should have remained there despite having no credibility (regarding integrity).

Had I been in Mexico and not in Italy, I wouldn't have said "it's ok, I'll show the proof I was in Mexico during the trial", I think I'd have show my passport, plane tickets, etc. to every single media writing about cycling.
 
SportingNonsense
Didnt he get 4 though? 2 from the DCF and 2 from the UCI?
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Aquarius
CrueTrue wrote:
The rules state that you're allowed to get 3 warnings. Rasmussen got 2. Also, remember that it's secret information which was leaked by the Danish Cycling Federation, because they are running a personal vendetta against him.

I'm sure, if all the riders' warnings were public information, we would see a lot of riders with two warnings - also riders who rode Tour de France.
Two warnings by the UCI, and two warnings by the Danish Cycling Union. That's 4 warnings overall, although what's forbidden is to get three warnings by the UCI.

Rasmussen is also a Man In Black, thus he is registered as a suspicious character by the UCI. When you're in such a situation, you try to pay attention not to forget to warn people about your whereabouts, unless you have something to hide.
 
Aquarius
SportingNonsense wrote:
Didnt he get 4 though? 2 from the DCF and 2 from the UCI?
Yes, talking of a lack of luck. Poor Rasmussen missed the controllers 4 times in one half-season. Sad
Edited by Aquarius on 01-10-2007 16:03
 
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hehe, this discussion is running in circles.

Rasmussen is doped but cant be convicted for it...the rest is history or excuses !
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CrueTrue
Aquarius wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Rasmussen didn't lie about his whereabouts. What's your source? Theo De Rooy? That's fine, but Rasmussen denies it - so it's his, De Rooy's, word against Rasmussen's.
Also, your "ASO wants clean and credible cycling" - are you sure? Do you remember who won Tour de France 2007? Oh, right - an OP-rider.

If we consider Rasmussen's words are not worth more or less than De Rooy's, and that same goes with Cassani's we can do a little mathematics Pfft 1=1, 1=1, 1+1=2>1. Two men words are more trustable than one single man words. One would have reasons to lie, which reasons have the other two ?
You need a friggin' lot of faith to believe Rasmussen in such a case.

They want a clean cycling, yes, I know (them too ?) that there are many dopeheads left after Rasmussen in the TDF GC, but that doesn't mean that cheating is fine and Rasmussen should have remained there despite having no credibility (regarding integrity).

Had I been in Mexico and not in Italy, I wouldn't have said "it's ok, I'll show the proof I was in Mexico during the trial", I think I'd have show my passport, plane tickets, etc. to every single media writing about cycling.


Okay, I agree with this Smile
Still, there's just as much circumstantial evidence against Contador as there is against Rasmussen. Yet, no one cared when Contador won.
 
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CrueTrue
Aquarius wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Didnt he get 4 though? 2 from the DCF and 2 from the UCI?
Yes, talking of a lack of luck. Poor Rasmussen missed the controllers 4 times in one half-season. Sad


The warnings are for the same thing. When Rasmussen misinforms UCI he also misinforms DCF since they are using the same system for the whereabouts.
 
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stemple
I wouldn't say there is as much circumstantial evidence against Contador as there is against Rasmussen, but I am an American and he rides for disco Wink. And i will stop busting your balls on this after i say one more thing. You say there is no evidence he doped. All you should need for evidence is that he finished 11th in a timetrial. Check and Mate I win.Wink
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MarcoPRT
stemple wrote:
I wouldn't say there is as much circumstantial evidence against Contador as there is against Rasmussen, but I am an American and he rides for disco Wink. And i will stop busting your balls on this after i say one more thing. You say there is no evidence he doped. All you should need for evidence is that he finished 11th in a timetrial. Check and Mate I win.Wink


Agreed. That TT stinked...Wink
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CrueTrue
Haha, you're right about that last thing. Can't argue with that Grin

About Contador, well, at least Rasmussen wasn't involved in Operation Puerto. Contador was / is. By being involved in that, there's hundreds of documents with circumstantial evidence, or even real evidence. Thing is, it seems like UCI is closing their eyes for Spanish riders. It's weird, and I don't think we'll ever get to know the truth about what really happened in the handling of Operation Puerto.
 
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issoisso
CrueTrue wrote:
Yet, no one cared when Contador won.


WHAT??? Shock

and I thought I had gone out of line calling him dopehead...
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Aquarius
I'm not fond of Contador either, and people were quite pissed he won the TDF. Already before his TT ("the only man who can climb like (dopehead) Rasmussen" was he called by some French riders), not even mentionning after that last TT where he did another Rasmussen (bad position, obviously not a TT rider, yet an awesome performance).

Contador is another very likely dopehead. Having Rasmussen removed was just a water drop removed from the ocean, but not removing him because there are many other dopeheads in the peloton would have been wrong.
 
ruben
Aquarius wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
The rules state that you're allowed to get 3 warnings. Rasmussen got 2. Also, remember that it's secret information which was leaked by the Danish Cycling Federation, because they are running a personal vendetta against him.

I'm sure, if all the riders' warnings were public information, we would see a lot of riders with two warnings - also riders who rode Tour de France.
Two warnings by the UCI, and two warnings by the Danish Cycling Union. That's 4 warnings overall, although what's forbidden is to get three warnings by the UCI.

Rasmussen is also a Man In Black, thus he is registered as a suspicious character by the UCI. When you're in such a situation, you try to pay attention not to forget to warn people about your whereabouts, unless you have something to hide.
And he was a known dopehead in the MTB-world.
 
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