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| Addy291 |
Posted on 30-09-2007 19:02
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just looked at Crue's link and the 130km TT is a mountains TT
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:34
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I repeat: What?
Anyway, the Michael Rasmussen dynepo-test-thingie-case is turning into a farce. First of all, there's no valid test for dynepo at all. Secondly, we got to remember that Le Equipe is owned by ASO. ASO was the one who pressured Rabobank to throw out Rasmussen - meaning that they are now washing their dirty hands by saying Rasmussen has been tested positive.
Don't get me wrong. I think Rasmussen was doped, but there's still no evidence. And the dynepo-case is not even close to be evidence. To me, it's a clear set-up by ASO, so they actually have a reason for the pressuring. We got to remember that there's currently running two investigations about the whole case, and if it turns out that ASO had no valid reason for pressuring Rabobank it's going to be bloody. However, with the dynepo-case they now got something on Rasmussen.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:40
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well i understand it and don't know how else to say it, so just look past that post
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:43
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Don't worry, I understand what you're saying .. it's a shocked "what" .. Like: "What " |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:46
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oh i see
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| stemple |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:54
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Is not the fact that he was lying about his whereabouts, as to avoid being tested, not a valid enough reason for them to pressure Rabobank to have him removed.
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:56
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After a 400 km stage there will be a 300 km stage to allow riders some to recover for the following 400 km stages and 130 ITT. The last TT will be a Team Time Trial of 800 km. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 12:57
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stemple wrote:
Is not the fact that he was lying about his whereabouts, as to avoid being tested, not a valid enough reason for them to pressure Rabobank to have him removed.
Do you know how many riders who got 2 warnings? Lots, lots, lots and lots. |
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| stemple |
Posted on 01-10-2007 13:03
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CrueTrue wrote:
stemple wrote:
Is not the fact that he was lying about his whereabouts, as to avoid being tested, not a valid enough reason for them to pressure Rabobank to have him removed.
Do you know how many riders who got 2 warnings? Lots, lots, lots and lots.
Probably quite a few, but do any of them have such a blatant, and documented, example of trying to intentionaly lie about his whereabouts as to avoid being tested.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2007 13:09
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CrueTrue wrote:
stemple wrote:
Is not the fact that he was lying about his whereabouts, as to avoid being tested, not a valid enough reason for them to pressure Rabobank to have him removed.
Do you know how many riders who got 2 warnings? Lots, lots, lots and lots. That many, really ? Could you give a few names ?  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 13:23
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Aqua: Matti Breschel
No, honestly, I don't know, but that's what I'm thinking. The director of the Danish federation said there was several riders with two warnings. And in any case, it isn't illegal.
Stemple: I might be blinded by my nationalism, but could you please tell me why it's so obvious that he lied? Yes, he has got two warnings, because he didn't send in his information (1st time), and because he wasn't where he said he was (2nd time). But isn't there a slight chance that it was just unfortunate occurrence? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2007 13:46
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Unfortunate occurence that you let every one believe you're in Mexico while you train dressed in black in Italy, and when you've already be warned once for such things, that's a bit too much to be credible.
I mean he has lied a lot, for no obvious reason. That leads to questions. I'm afraid the only regrettable answer I can come up with is "he was having a dope cure and would have been caught if he was tested at that moment, so he lied about his whereabouts to avoid UCI out of competition controls". |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 13:58
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As said, I believe you are all right. I just still miss that one thing which clearly says he was doped.
So, Aqua, who says Rasmussen was in Italy? Only one guy who saw him while it was pouring down. No one has confirmed this. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
As said, I believe you are all right. I just still miss that one thing which clearly says he was doped.
So, Aqua, who says Rasmussen was in Italy? Only one guy who saw him while it was pouring down. No one has confirmed this.
I'll say it for the billionth time: if he was in fact in Mexico, he would've shown his passport which should have the stamp of Mexican costums.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:25
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Rasmussen eventually admitted to De Rooy that it was true, so he got fired.
Had he been in Mexico, he could have brought the plane tickets, shown his passport, etc. It would have been a kid game to prove he was there.
When it comes down to a cyclist, there are, unfortunately, not 100 possible answers to the question "why would you hide during two weeks just before your main objective of the season ?". There are 90% (100% ?) of chances that it has to do with illegal stuff (dope).
Clearly says he was doped ? Unless you get a bullet proof positive case against him you can't have that. Same goes for many professional riders.
It comes down to a matter of beliefs, based on more or less serious evidences. There are strong evidences against Rasmussen.
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| ruben |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:28
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Crue is kind of a hypocrite. Defending Rasmussen and attacking Bettini.
Then again, Rasmussen is Danish ofcourse. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:30
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Keep in mind, as said before, that I'm totally blinded by nationalism
Rasmussen has not admitted to De Rooy that it was true. He's stated that several times. Only De Rooy is saying that he has admitted. And in my opinion, De Rooy only said that because he needed a reason for firing Rasmussen. The real reason is still that ASO pressured him.
I agree that Rasmussen could easily prove that he was in Mexico, and I also think it's very suspicious that he hasn't just shown passport, tickets, anything else. He was asked why by a Danish journalist, and he answered that it was evidence in the trial. I don't know if it's true, but if it is, and if it's actually submitted to the court, I'd say it's a valid argument.
Ruben: I don't really feel that I'm defending Rasmussen. I'm convinced he was doped. I'm just not convinced of the reasons for throwing him out - that's all.
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Posted on 01-10-2007 14:30
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Aquarius wrote:
Rasmussen eventually admitted to De Rooy that it was true, so he got fired.
yes, that's what de rooij says. Rasmussen denied ever saying that saying that De Rooih is insane. etc etc etc. I'm far more inclined to believe de Rooij...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:31
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Ruben wrote:
Crue is kind of a hypocrite. Defending Rasmussen and attacking Bettini.
Then again, Rasmussen is Danish ofcourse. Not exactly. He just stats, and is right, that you can't have bullet proof evidence against Rasmussen, which is case. You can't have such an evidence against Bettini either. But as he said he believes Rasmussen is doped.
There's a share of doubts about anyone who hasn't been tested positive (A + B samples, validated method, etc.). |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 01-10-2007 14:34
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Hate dopers and like one romanian commentator said in this time for cycling who is a little suspicious and dont make the steps good to prove wrong he is decapitated
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