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issoisso
yes, I apologise too.

we really should have a topic for the continental races
 
CrueTrue
Iban Mayo has been tested positive for EPO during Tour de France.


(Now .. I hate to say this .. but what did I say!!)
 
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Addy291
EPO but still crap, Mayo's level of ability just got considerabley lower in my opinion

and is this definatley official?
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CrueTrue
It's official. He has been suspended by Saunier Duval.
 
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issoisso
CrueTrue wrote:
Iban Mayo has been tested positive for EPO during Tour de France.


(Now .. I hate to say this .. but what did I say!!)


same here


I'll go have a look at the reactions on the PCM-Spain forum now...
Edited by issoisso on 30-07-2007 21:27
 
CrueTrue
.. Make sure to tell us what they say Grin
 
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issoisso
I found this posted there from some news site:

Bueno aqui les traigo un articulo del sport de lo que dijo Jaksche, Dani no me digas que le tengo mania a Contador yo solo informo de lo que he leido

Un ex compañero pone en duda a Contador
El alemán Jorg Jaksche, ex compañero de Alberto Contador en su etapa en el Liberty Seguros, denunció ayer estar sorprendido de los resultados del español en el Tour de Francia y apuntó a una trama de las autoridades españolas para ocultar su implicación en la ‘Operación Puerto’, que podría afectar incluso a otros deportes en España.

“Cuando lo conocí sus resultados no eran muy esperanzadores y ahora veo su Tour...”, dijo Jaksche en una entrevista que publicó ayer la edición electrónica del diario ‘Suddeutsche Zeitung’. Jaksche confesó hace pocas semanas su implicación en la ‘Operación Puerto’ cuando formaba parte del equipo Liberty Seguros, bajo el mando del director Manolo Saiz, implicado en la trama.

En esa época compartió equipo con Contador. Ahora el alemán colabora con las autoridades para esclarecer la trama. A Jaksche le sorpendió la velocidad en la ascensión de Contador y el danés Michael Rasmussen al puerto de Plateau de Beille y al hablar del doping sistemático que denunció en Liberty apunta: “En los documentos se menciona con detalle que el equipo sub’23 igualmente recibía hormonas y testosterona”. “Nunca he visto directamente cómo Contador se dopaba y si está limpio es algo que sólo sabe él. Pero no había ninguna razón excepto el doping para ir a ver a Fuentes”, señala.

Jaksche reconoció que en el ya famoso documento 31 de la ‘Operación Puerto’ él era ‘J.J’. En ese documento se detalla el plan de medicación del equipo Liberty para el Tour de 2005. En el papel, en el que Jaksche reconoce la escritura de Fuentes, aparecen otras siglas, como las de ‘A.C’, que podrían pertenecer a Contador.

Jaksche dijo no comprender por qué el nombre de Contador no aparece en la lista de la UCI. “Es difícil de decir. La UCI dice que no tiene ese documento. Sin embargo, lo han identificado, así está en todo caso en sus documentos, que yo he visto”, dijo el alemán, que presupone un pacto con las autoridades a cambio de que Contador coopere. “Sería un acuerdo raro. La policía ha trabajado limpio, pero se han filtrado nombres. De las 250 bolsas de sangre, 150 no se han identificado aún. ¿Por qué? Quizá la AMA (Agencia Mundial Antidoping) o Alemania deberían presentar allí una solicitud. En España quizás el problema se ha vuelto más grande, porque no sólo se limita al ciclismo”, dijo.

Jaksche, por último, ironizó sobre el hecho de que entre los 23 mejores del Tour haya 13 españoles. “Al norte de los Pirineos nos falta el gen correcto. No, hay diferentes países, diferentes sistemas antidoping”.


basically:

Jaksche says he's surprised at Contador's Tour and says there's a ploy to hide his implication in the Puerto investigation.

"When I met him his results weren't very promising and now I see his Tour..."

he's surprised by the climbing speed of Contador and Rasmussen to Plateau de Beille and says that in the documents it's shown in detail that the u-23 team (he rode with Contador at Liberty Seguros) also doped with hormones and testosterone.

"I've never directly seen Contador dope and if he does or not, that's for him to know, but there would be no other reason to meet Fuentes"

blah blah blah, conpiracy theory about the spanish being protected again (I'm not saying it's not happening, I think it is)

and he finishes saying that "ironically" 13 of the top 23 in the tour are spanish.
 
Addy291
how is that 'ironic', the Spanish are natural climbers anyway and everyone has put in good TT's this year even-non Spanish people, so it's natural for the Spanish lads to be that high,

obviously there are doubts over a few, but the fact is they are born climbers, and there have been some pretty big mountains in this years tour which they have created gaps on as other nationalities, e.g British, Austalian, etc. aren't all natural climbers.

i do feel that the Spanish have been given preferential treatment during the whole Puerto investigation, but they are natural born climbers so results like that aren't exactly surprising, in my opinion
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Phanekim
CrueTrue wrote:
Iban Mayo has been tested positive for EPO during Tour de France.


(Now .. I hate to say this .. but what did I say!!)


I remember there was a thread about this. This was to the absolute surprise of NO ONE. haha. Here was my post in that thread:

Iban Mayo started to stink when doping tests got better. Plain and simple.


Yeah. No one in this forum or in cycling community was even remotely stunned.
 
issoisso
Addy291 wrote:
how is that 'ironic', the Spanish are natural climbers anyway and everyone has put in good TT's this year even-non Spanish people, so it's natural for the Spanish lads to be that high,

obviously there are doubts over a few, but the fact is they are born climbers, and there have been some pretty big mountains in this years tour which they have created gaps on as other nationalities, e.g British, Austalian, etc. aren't all natural climbers.

i do feel that the Spanish have been given preferential treatment during the whole Puerto investigation, but they are natural born climbers so results like that aren't exactly surprising, in my opinion


he was being sarcastic, referring to the fact that in spain there's "someone" behind the scenes protecting the spanish riders from the investigation.

he ended saying about the 13-out-of-23 thing that "north of the pyrenees, are we missing the right gene? of course not. different countries, different doping systems"
 
issoisso
Addy291 wrote:
obviously there are doubts over a few, but the fact is they are born climbers


no they're not. they just have mountains to train in their country and a pretty big mass of potential cyclists as cycling has a big basis for recruitment.

no group of people can be defined as "naturally this" or "naturally that" except those who live in altitude. like Soler. those have a higher red blood cell count.
 
Addy291
well that's what i basically meant, they are born with mountains around them and therfore develop better at going up them

or something like that, it's plainly obvious that i'm not good at explaining what i meanPfft
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issoisso
Addy291 wrote:
well that's what i basically meant, they are born with mountains around them and therfore develop better at going up them

or something like that, it's plainly obvious that i'm not good at explaining what i meanPfft


dude, your vocabulary is as bad as..........whatever!
 
Phanekim
Looks like there's another person I gotta edit out of my personal PCM database.

Rasmussen check
Vinokourov check
Mayo check.

 
issoisso
Phanekim wrote:
Looks like there's another person I gotta edit out of my personal PCM database.

Rasmussen check
Vinokourov check
Mayo check.



want to bet at the Vuelta you will "magically" not have to edit anyone out?
 
CrueTrue
Moreni and Sinkewitz? Wink

And well, Rasmussen shouldn't be edited out. Just put him as a free agent Wink
Edited by CrueTrue on 30-07-2007 21:58
 
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Addy291
too right Crue, Rasmussen hasn't tested positive for anything yet
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Crommy
Bets on this not being the last rider to turn out doped at this year's Tour?

He was positive on the rest day, I'm actually pleased he had to ride the rest of the stages for absolutely nothing - suffer some pain for your doping!!!
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issoisso
Crommy wrote:
Bets on this not being the last rider to turn out doped at this year's Tour?


sure. I bet nothing else comes out of it.
 
Crommy
Slipstream have signed a former Paris-Roubaix winner!!!

No news on who though yet Wink

After team director Jonathan Vaughters confirmed yesterday the signing of Saunier Duval's David Millar and two Team CSC stars Christian Vande Velde and Dave Zabriskie, he revealed today that the team has also signed a former winner of Paris-Roubaix.

Vaughters would not be drawn to comment on who the latest signing is, but the list of non-retired recent winners is short, namely: Stuart O'Grady (2007), Fabian Cancellara (2006), Tom Boonen (2005), Magnus Backstedt (2004), and Peter Van Petegem (2003).

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