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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:03
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issoisso wrote:
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What the heck are you doing on a Danish newspaper's website?
To answer your question: No. That's the list of Danish cyclists who have been "in contact with doping" = doped.
you completely misunderstood. I know what that is. I'm saying that quite a few of those guys are or have been at CSC, either as riders or in other functions. a few still are.
there's also a connection with the current T-Mobile squad
Oh, sorry. Just listened to 1½ hour of sociology, so I'm a bit dizzy 
Anyway, yes:
Bjarne Riis - owner of CSC
Brian Holm - sports director at T-Mobile, former rider of the Acceptcard team which later became CSC
Jesper Skibby - Rode for Team Jack & Jones which later became CSC
Kim Andersen - current sports director of CSC. Is tipped to take over from Riis at some point.
Bo Hamburger - former CSC-rider
Lars Michaelsen - former CSC-rider
Nicolai Bo Larsen - former CSC-rider
Jakob Piil - former CSC-rider
Rolf Sørensen - former CSC-rider
Add to that that several of CSC's former foreign riders also are known dopers. I mean, Jörg Jaksche, Ivan Basso, Tyler Hamilton, etc.. And what about Michele Bartoli? Laurent Jalabert? Andrea Tafi? I could go on forever.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:07
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Well, These people have used dope before, but that doesn't necessarily mean they still dope or dope the riders on their teams. I mean, some people learn from their mistakes.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:07
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That's right. But I still find it suspicious. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:10
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samtheman wrote:
Well, These people have used dope before, but that doesn't necessarily mean they still dope or dope the riders on their teams. I mean, some people learn from their
mistakes.
that's a misconception. people don't change...their girlfriends change them
I'm sorry for that.
uhm, you can believe anything, really. that the doping was not organized, but down to individual riders and has always been, that it was organized but stopped in 2002. that it stopped in 2004. that it's still going on.
most likely, we'll never know.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:11
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true, but at the moment all cycling teams are suspected of using dope
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| samtheman |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:12
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that's a misconception. people don't change...their girlfriends change them 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:13
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samtheman wrote:
true, but at the moment all cycling teams are suspected of using dope
guilty until proven innocent. that's how society works.
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:15
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but how to prove yourself innocent? If the Damsgaard testing regime can't do it, then nothing can! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:19
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that's the reality, I'm afraid. you can never prove yourself innocent. and since people's mentality is that if you were ever implicated in anything, you're a dopehead, everyone's screwed.
this will never be fair. not unless in the future technology gets to a point where you can invent some sort of truth machine. which is quite fictional at this point.
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| samtheman |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:22
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and also very easy to abuse.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:22
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samtheman wrote:
and also very easy to abuse.
I don't get your point. care to explain? 
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| samtheman |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:34
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a "truth machine" would be easily abused, because you can't force someone to tell the truth(imo), but if people can, people will.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 14:37
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what I was saying is that the only possible way this is ever going to become fair is if a working one could one day be invented. my point being that such advanced technology would be needed that we can have no hope of this ever being fair. the only way we're going to forget doping for a while is if cycling goes in the direction of most sports:
pretend like nothing is happening and that no one is doped.
so, yes, the future is extremely bleak in this regard
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:28
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Aquarius wrote:
It's more or less perceived the same way from here...
I know French continental teams are not angels either, but I think Spanish CT are about the worst bunch of dopeheads riding around.
Well, I don't disagree at all, but talking about the blindness that issoisso mentions - and with good sense - in this thread, aren't we all blindfolded in our love for the sport as well?
If the Spanish CT teams are the "worst bunch of..." then what the hell are they doing mid-table the SECOND division of pro cycling? Why are the cracked up continental riders not at the same level as their pro tour colleagues? We accuse and hate Relax - Gam, but we protect Caisse for the elegant Valverde, we forget Euskaltel for their aweinspiring fight for indepence and we remove the bullseye from Saunier. As we cannot live with the fact that the biggest in cycling have it, fake it, and take it, if the ones below them do. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:32
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Balaverde wrote:
what the hell are they doing mid-table
you can't look at the continental rankings. spanish continental teams mostly only care for spanish races and getting invited to the Vuelta.
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but we protect Caisse for the elegant Valverde, we forget Euskaltel for their aweinspiring fight for indepence and we remove the bullseye from Saunier. As we cannot live with the fact that the biggest in cycling have it, fake it, and take it, if the ones below them do.
well, there's a lot of people here that are always poking at those three teams, among others. there might not be threads titled "Caisse are dopers", but there's bundles of posts on it in random threads.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:33
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Balaverde wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
It's more or less perceived the same way from here...
I know French continental teams are not angels either, but I think Spanish CT are about the worst bunch of dopeheads riding around.
Well, I don't disagree at all, but talking about the blindness that issoisso mentions - and with good sense - in this thread, aren't we all blindfolded in our love for the sport as well?
If the Spanish CT teams are the "worst bunch of..." then what the hell are they doing mid-table the SECOND division of pro cycling? Why are the cracked up continental riders not at the same level as their pro tour colleagues? We accuse and hate Relax - Gam, but we protect Caisse for the elegant Valverde, we forget Euskaltel for their aweinspiring fight for indepence and we remove the bullseye from Saunier. As we cannot live with the fact that the biggest in cycling have it, fake it, and take it, if the ones below them do.
Protect Caisse and Saunier? Haha, no way |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:34
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CrueTrue wrote:
Protect Caisse and Saunier? Haha, no way
hopefully you've just forgetten Euskaltel...
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| Balaverde |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:35
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:38
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Balaverde wrote:
Don't mess with people that bomb you if you forget them
I've been to the basque country. they all love me just for my nationality. strange, but very handy
CrueTrue on the other hand, is screwed
Edited by issoisso on 23-10-2007 16:38
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| odenkos |
Posted on 23-10-2007 16:39
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I think Valverde is a dopehead too. At least he was... 
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