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| brun sweater |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:40
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:41
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Waghlon wrote:
Que CERA CERA.
Heheheheheheheh.  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:41
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PLEASE STOP
That's the most overused stale joke I've been hearing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again since June
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 07-10-2008 13:45
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Isso, you cant shut down a classic!
At what point was this a good idea? |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 13:52
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By golly, you're right!
To fill all your wishes with my taco-flavoured kisses!
Taco taco, burrito burrito, taco taco! |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 07-10-2008 14:07
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Aquarius: I will not tell you to shut up. I am simply pointing out the fact that if you point the finger at everyone, you will get some right. Some, not all, accusations on these boards are based on falwed logic and assumptions. I bet you I could make a case for any rider being on dope using some of the arguments frequently applied here.
It is harder to make a case that a rider is clean. |
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| Mradd |
Posted on 07-10-2008 14:12
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Doesnt suprise me this latest doping scandle. The way he rode those time trials was a bit of a suprise. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-10-2008 14:20
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jacknic wrote:
Aquarius: I will not tell you to shut up. I am simply pointing out the fact that if you point the finger at everyone, you will get some right. Some, not all, accusations on these boards are based on falwed logic and assumptions. I bet you I could make a case for any rider being on dope using some of the arguments frequently applied here.
It is harder to make a case that a rider is clean. Thing is that, unlike what you imply, we're not pointing the finger at every one or at 99% of the riders.
It's not that hard to make a case that a random rider is clean, it's harder when he easily beats a lot of dopeheads or breaks limits of science that have only been broken by dopeheads before.
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:06
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CrueTrue wrote:
From a usually very well-informed source on a Danish forum, 7 riders tested positive for CERA in the retesting:
Sastre
Bernhard Kohl
F. Schleck
Arvesen
Cancellara
Schumacher (confirmed)
Piepoli (confirmed)
According to the source, those are 100 % sure. Other than those, two riders are - unofficially - also tested positive:
Valjavec
Efimkim
He also says that 28 riders had suspicious values during this year's TdF.
We'll see if he's right 
Heh, the 2nd post on this forum seems to back up that theory:
http://weightween...p;start=30 :
Yeah I got names from a pro rider. But in fact, I found it strange that a rider could have the names before the journalists who are like sharks for this kind of infos. So I don't want to tell you the name because it would be unfair fro the riders if my infos are crap.
But Schumacher was definitely in my list of riders Smile
My infos: -There would be 4 CSC, the guy that has been in the news before world championship, two others that are like big "all wheel drive" truck climbing like colombian riders and going fast on the flat Of course they are rumors on them since they didn't take part in the WC. The 4th CSC rider is not well known (but was part of the Tour team)
-By Gerolsteiner, I had Schumacher said to me, and another whom "theloper" talked about just before.
-May be suprising, there would be two members of a american-german team. One who make Schumacher fall, and another who won a mountain stage in 2005 Idea (This last guy would be a surprise if confirm since he wasn't really strong this year)
-There would be two "east-european" riders of a french team.
Edited by CrueTrue on 07-10-2008 15:07
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| t-baum |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:14
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CrueTrue wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
From a usually very well-informed source on a Danish forum, 7 riders tested positive for CERA in the retesting:
Sastre
Bernhard Kohl
F. Schleck
Arvesen
Cancellara
Schumacher (confirmed)
Piepoli (confirmed)
According to the source, those are 100 % sure. Other than those, two riders are - unofficially - also tested positive:
Valjavec
Efimkim
He also says that 28 riders had suspicious values during this year's TdF.
We'll see if he's right
Heh, the 2nd post on this forum seems to back up that theory:
http://weightween...p;start=30 :
Yeah I got names from a pro rider. But in fact, I found it strange that a rider could have the names before the journalists who are like sharks for this kind of infos. So I don't want to tell you the name because it would be unfair fro the riders if my infos are crap.
But Schumacher was definitely in my list of riders Smile
My infos: -There would be 4 CSC, the guy that has been in the news before world championship, two others that are like big "all wheel drive" truck climbing like colombian riders and going fast on the flat Of course they are rumors on them since they didn't take part in the WC. The 4th CSC rider is not well known (but was part of the Tour team)
-By Gerolsteiner, I had Schumacher said to me, and another whom "theloper" talked about just before.
- May be suprising, there would be two members of a american-german team. One who make Schumacher fall, and another who won a mountain stage in 2005 Idea (This last guy would be a surprise if confirm since he wasn't really strong this year)
-There would be two "east-european" riders of a french team.
oh well, it's not like we could pretend that team was clean forever,,,
and who is he talking about? no one won a stage at the tdf in 05 and is now with columbia.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-10-2008 15:21
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"Made Schumacher crash" -> Hincapie
Won a mountain stage in 05 and is now with Columbia -> Hincapie
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:23
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"There would be 4 CSC, the guy that has been in the news before world championship, two others that are like big "all wheel drive" truck climbing like colombian riders and going fast on the flatGrin Of course they are rumors on them since they didn't take part in the WC."
--> F. Schleck, Sastre, Cancellara
"The 4th CSC rider is not well known (but was part of the Tour team)"
--> Arvesen?
"By Gerolsteiner, I had Schumacher said to me, and another whom "theloper" talked about just before"
--> "Theloper" talked about Kohl
"May be suprising, there would be two members of a american-german team. One who make Schumacher fall, and another who won a mountain stage in 2005 (This last guy would be a surprise if confirm since he wasn't really strong this year)"
--> First one must be Kirchen, second one .. Hincapie?
"There would be two "east-european" riders of a french team"
--> Valjavec and Efimkin
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:24
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But Hincapie would confound the view that the dope automatically turns you into a top rider. |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:26
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CrueTrue wrote:
"May be suprising, there would be two members of a american-german team. One who make Schumacher fall, and another who won a mountain stage in 2005 (This last guy would be a surprise if confirm since he wasn't really strong this year)"
--> First one must be Kirchen, second one .. Hincapie?
That's right I forgot someone made Schumacher fall this year. Was it Kirchen? My mind automatically went back to the ENECO Tour 2006. |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:27
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Yes it was Kirchen.
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:30
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fenian_1234 wrote:
But Hincapie would confound the view that the dope automatically turns you into a top rider.
"I like George, but....classics to climber? Explain that one!" - Jonathan Vaughters (Former US Postal and C.A. rider and current Garmin-Chipotle manager and part-owner)
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:39
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I had my doubts on kirchi he was a decent classics specialist he turned to beeing a stage racer but lacked TT last year he did good but this yead in the TT especially in the last one was like heras in vuelta...
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Posted on 07-10-2008 15:44
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He was an alien in the Tour de Suisse, then cyclismag felt relieved he didn't become the Tour de France swindle of the decade when, thankfully, he cracked in the Pyrénées. There was a lot of smoke around Kirchen, hopefully a fire has been found.
If Hincapie would get caught, well, I would add his name to a list of riders that includes Landis, Hamilton, Heras, etc.
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Posted on 07-10-2008 16:07
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Im 100% sure that Arvesen has not doped. He shares the same values as Hushovd and is very outspoken against doping. I might be wrong but it would suprise me incredibly much. |
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Posted on 07-10-2008 16:14
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Here shows how naive I am...I'm not too surprised by a lot of those names, but Hincapie? Didn't expect that one... |
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