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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-07-2012 22:38
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Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
To completely blow that argument of Lance's out of the water, you just have to state one fact:
11 riders were offered immunity in exchange for deposition to bring down Bruyneel and the dope doctors.
Armstrong was one of them. HE REFUSED.
The other 10 accepted.
Source?
http://online.wsj...ng0613.pdf
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
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| jokovic |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:08
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Well my question is if they find armstrong gulty for using dope. Who is getting the tour de france wins then ? Ulrich,zulle or maybe basso ? They all go caught with doping.What i mean is that armstrong maybe did use doping but he was still the best and if they need to get every doped cyclist in history would punish after their career. Then ... Cycling history would be totaly different. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:10
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Riis is currently listed by the ASO as 1996 winner, so that's probably what'll happen.
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
- Bradley Wiggins a few years ago
"It's the Time Trial. The race against the truth!" - Phil Liggett, 2003 Vuelta |
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| jokovic |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:24
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issoisso wrote:
Riis is currently listed by the ASO as 1996 winner, so that's probably what'll happen.
thats the point i tryed to make another doper gets the victory... and no doubt that armstrong was better then ulrich , basso and zulle |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:32
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jokovic wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Riis is currently listed by the ASO as 1996 winner, so that's probably what'll happen.
thats the point i tryed to make another doper gets the victory... and no doubt that armstrong was better then ulrich , basso and zulle
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I'm not sure you understand. Riis won on the road that year before admitting to doping. He's still listed as the winner because there might not even have been a clean rider in the Tour that year.
Then again with Armstrong's acid personality and pleasure in antagonizing everyone might mean he gets his wins stripped from him just because he's hated.
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
- Bradley Wiggins a few years ago
"It's the Time Trial. The race against the truth!" - Phil Liggett, 2003 Vuelta |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:37
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Who cares, who gets the victory? That is totally irrelevant.
Every sport has its rules. Persons and teams doing this sport have to follow these rules. If somebody decides to break these rules, he/she has to bear the consequences if he gets caught. Since the consequences are also in the rule book, everybody knows what awaits him.
And to all these people who think that Armstrong has a backbone and/or a strong character. It is cheap to break the rules secretly. But it takes some balls to break the rules openly:
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| Crommy |
Posted on 05-07-2012 23:52
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issoisso wrote:
Crommy wrote:
issoisso wrote:
To completely blow that argument of Lance's out of the water, you just have to state one fact:
11 riders were offered immunity in exchange for deposition to bring down Bruyneel and the dope doctors.
Armstrong was one of them. HE REFUSED.
The other 10 accepted.
Source?
http://online.wsj...ng0613.pdf
Merci monsieur!
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 06-07-2012 00:32
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jokovic wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Riis is currently listed by the ASO as 1996 winner, so that's probably what'll happen.
thats the point i tryed to make another doper gets the victory... and no doubt that armstrong was better then ulrich , basso and zulle
Who may get given the victory is a little irrelevant but the assumption that Armstrong was better than the others as they were all doped is an easy one to make, indeed I have made it in the past myself. However, it is probably wrong as PED's are more effective for some than others. The idea of widespread doping meaning a level playing field is a misconception imho. It makes it a bit difficult to say if a rider was a very good cyclist (whose biology reacted very well to a drug) or a trully great one. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 06-07-2012 00:37
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Interesting read, cheers for that.
I can remember a big post from you in last month's news thread stating various facts you seem to have gathered about Armstrong, including positive doping testst. I'm currently often discussing the Armstrong case with people, and I'd like to ask you if you could please provide a similar source to back up what you posted about positive doping tests. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 06-07-2012 06:50
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ianrussell wrote:
Who may get given the victory is a little irrelevant but the assumption that Armstrong was better than the others as they were all doped is an easy one to make, indeed I have made it in the past myself. However, it is probably wrong as PED's are more effective for some than others. The idea of widespread doping meaning a level playing field is a misconception imho. It makes it a bit difficult to say if a rider was a very good cyclist (whose biology reacted very well to a drug) or a trully great one. That, exactly.
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| Doping |
Posted on 06-07-2012 13:42
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The company Alpecin like to be 13-20 million euros in the German team.
They don´t want to go in mediocrity but at the top.
http://www.westfa...dteam/613/ |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 06-07-2012 14:57
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Doping wrote:
The company Alpecin like to be 13-20 million euros in the German team.
They don´t want to go in mediocrity but at the top.
http://www.westfa...dteam/613/
This newspaper contradicts itself. In the first Paragraph it says that the team already aquired a license, but in the second papragraph it says that there are no definete decisions made to field a professional cycling team.
So, what are supposed to believe now?
Is there gonna be a team?
Do they have a license or not?
At least the rumor surrounding the up to 20million€ budget seems to be true, as ive seen it on other news pages as well...
On top of that, I would be carefull if I were Jürgen Harguth... He states that he needs a big budget to avoid fielding a mediocre team. But look at RNT this season. They have a huge budget but have achieved very little. in my opinion they are below average in their achievements this year...
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| Rin |
Posted on 06-07-2012 15:10
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It's 50/50
I guess they would sign a lot of german riders, so haven't a star team like RSNT, but Germans.. Just look at Milram, mediocre. Woops, did I said that?
Edited by Rin on 06-07-2012 15:10
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-07-2012 10:08
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Good news for Samu btw 
Fractured hand for Samuel Sánchez but collarbone appears unbroken
Fractured hand for Samuel Sánchez but collarbone appears unbroken
If recovery goes well he has a small chance to defend his title. Although his form will not be good anyway.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-07-2012 13:17
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End of season for Andy Schleck?...
But now, the "complete healing of the break could take several months." Schleck's plans for the second half of the season may thus be compromised, and the paper went so far as to saying, "a premature end of season is possible."
Edited by Alakagom on 09-07-2012 13:17
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 13:20
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Early end for Andy Schleck's season - nothing new there then he he 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 09-07-2012 13:24
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It was always optimistic to think he was going to be ready for the Vuelta with that injury. And he hasn't O'Grady with him anymore to go out all night and come back to the hotel late and drunk. He's better off resting.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 15:13
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Lance has filed an injuction in to the USADA case...
All ze info: http://www.states...aking_news
Edited by doddy13 on 09-07-2012 15:18
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-07-2012 16:15
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Alakagom wrote:
End of season for Andy Schleck?...
But now, the "complete healing of the break could take several months." Schleck's plans for the second half of the season may thus be compromised, and the paper went so far as to saying, "a premature end of season is possible."
So the Vuelta will just be a replay of the 2011 Giro then - Contador taking a billion stages and winning everything.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 09-07-2012 16:29
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CountArach wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
End of season for Andy Schleck?...
But now, the "complete healing of the break could take several months." Schleck's plans for the second half of the season may thus be compromised, and the paper went so far as to saying, "a premature end of season is possible."
So the Vuelta will just be a replay of the 2011 Giro then - Contador taking a billion stages and winning everything.
Which will conclude a perfect season for 2012 as "The year of boring GTs".
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