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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 18:38
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Aquarius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Up until I became a member on this site, I never realized how unpopular the Schlecks were.
Luckily for the team leader, he also has Cancellara! I don't know too much about him as a person as much as a rider but he strikes me as a nice, friendly guy.
"Team leader" is generally used about a rider, I think you mean "team manager" here. 
Yes, of course 
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 03-06-2012 18:50
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alexkr00 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Their robot-like behaviour ("we didn't attack [though it would obviously have been a smart move] as this was not a part of the plan" .
Their constant excuses for everything. There's always someone or something to blame, but it's never their fault when they perform poorly, but it's never their fault.
Although their brotherly love attitude is upsetting. One of them would attack and create some excitement, but he won't cause it'd mean his brother would risk to get dropped.
And when they do win, it's never because maybe the others weren't on form or the competition was weak. They always win because of how awesome they are.
Actually Andy´s wins in the last two years were only in the TdF. It´s obvious he did awesome stages there, with strong competitors in a good form.
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 03-06-2012 18:55
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felix_29 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Their robot-like behaviour ("we didn't attack [though it would obviously have been a smart move] as this was not a part of the plan" .
Their constant excuses for everything. There's always someone or something to blame, but it's never their fault when they perform poorly, but it's never their fault.
Although their brotherly love attitude is upsetting. One of them would attack and create some excitement, but he won't cause it'd mean his brother would risk to get dropped.
And when they do win, it's never because maybe the others weren't on form or the competition was weak. They always win because of how awesome they are.
Actually Andy´s wins in the last two years were only in the TdF. It´s obvious he did awesome stages there, with strong competitors in a good form.
Victory on Galibier was the best attack of 2011 IMO.
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 18:55
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http://nos.nl/art...-tour.html
Roughly translated it says that Valverde and Cobo will be the main leaders for Movistar in the Tour.
It also says that David Arroyo, Ruben Plaza, Imanol Erviti, José Ivan Gutierrez, Vladimir Karpets and Vasil Kirijenka are in the pre-selection, of those one rider must drop off to make the team complete |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 19:00
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xmaniacxx wrote:
http://nos.nl/art...-tour.html
Roughly translated it says that Valverde and Cobo will be the main leaders for Movistar in the Tour.
It also says that David Arroyo, Ruben Plaza, Imanol Erviti, José Ivan Gutierrez, Vladimir Karpets and Vasil Kirijenka are in the pre-selection, of those one rider must drop off to make the team complete
I was bracing myself for an unknown language, but I reckon you're Belgian or Dutch 
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 19:07
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 03-06-2012 19:17
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felix_29 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Their robot-like behaviour ("we didn't attack [though it would obviously have been a smart move] as this was not a part of the plan" .
Their constant excuses for everything. There's always someone or something to blame, but it's never their fault when they perform poorly, but it's never their fault.
Although their brotherly love attitude is upsetting. One of them would attack and create some excitement, but he won't cause it'd mean his brother would risk to get dropped.
And when they do win, it's never because maybe the others weren't on form or the competition was weak. They always win because of how awesome they are.
Actually Andy´s wins in the last two years were only in the TdF. It´s obvious he did awesome stages there, with strong competitors in a good form.
My point was that every time they win they think they do it only because of them and not count the others. When they lose it's not their fault but the other's.
And I wouldn't call last year's TDF very competitive even though Andy's win on Galibier was really impressive.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 19:20
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No one doubts Andy's performance on the Galibier.
But, as News in June is this thread, I'm afraid we're a bit off-topic, just a couple of years, as news goes
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:11
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Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all 
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:24
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issoisso wrote:
Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all
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| ruben |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:29
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xmaniacxx wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all
exept for 2010 TDF
He was 2nd behind Alberto Contador. Sorry that's not the same as 1st place
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:31
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ruben wrote:
xmaniacxx wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all
exept for 2010 TDF
He was 2nd behind Alberto Contador. Sorry that's not the same as 1st place
If one looses his first place the second one usually claims the first place in cyling |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:35
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xmaniacxx wrote:
ruben wrote:
xmaniacxx wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all
exept for 2010 TDF
He was 2nd behind Alberto Contador. Sorry that's not the same as 1st place
If one looses his first place the second one usually claims the first place in cyling
True, but it is something else
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:36
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Ian Butler wrote:
xmaniacxx wrote:
ruben wrote:
xmaniacxx wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Speaking of Andy's performance: He's a stage racer who's never won a stage race.
That is all
exept for 2010 TDF
He was 2nd behind Alberto Contador. Sorry that's not the same as 1st place
If one looses his first place the second one usually claims the first place in cyling
True, but it is something else
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:38
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It's something else winning the actual thing in July and feeling that great experience rather than accepting yellow jersey at minute ceremony 2 years later
Edited by Alakagom on 03-06-2012 20:38
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:39
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Alakagom wrote:
It's something else winning the actual thing in July and feeling that great experience rather than accepting yellow jersey at minute ceremony 2 years later
He lost the experience, but he is the race winner. So he does have a stage race win.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:40
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kumazan wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
It's something else winning the actual thing in July and feeling that great experience rather than accepting yellow jersey at minute ceremony 2 years later
He lost the experience, but he is the race winner. So he does have a stage race win.
I am not arguing that, just stating why I think Ian meant with 'something else'
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:40
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Alakagom wrote:
It's something else winning the actual thing in July and feeling that great experience rather than accepting yellow jersey at minute ceremony 2 years later
Thats a diffrent subject, he won the 2010. TDF. End of story |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:47
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He did win, I'm not arguing you, btw. I'm just saying it's different from winning there and then.
First, like Alakagom said: the experience is different.
Second, it's just erasing the winner, the race would've been different if Contador hadn't been there from the start. Schleck rode 2nd place, but he won.
You understand what I'm saying? I'm not disrespecting anyone in any way, just saying it's a different thing, riding for 2nd place and then winning 2 years later.
Btw, that's probably why Schleck doesn't train as much as he's supposed to. It doesn't matter where he finishes, he gets the win anyway a couple of years later
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| xmaniacxx |
Posted on 03-06-2012 20:53
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Ian Butler wrote:
He did win, I'm not arguing you, btw. I'm just saying it's different from winning there and then.
First, like Alakagom said: the experience is different.
Second, it's just erasing the winner, the race would've been different if Contador hadn't been there from the start. Schleck rode 2nd place, but he won.
You understand what I'm saying? I'm not disrespecting anyone in any way, just saying it's a different thing, riding for 2nd place and then winning 2 years later.
Btw, that's probably why Schleck doesn't train as much as he's supposed to. It doesn't matter where he finishes, he gets the win anyway a couple of years later
They found he was positive on the 2nd rest day, so we would more have had a scenario as in 2007, and he would have won with eaze. And im not saying that ur disrespectfull, but I keep to to the facts, and that were that Contador did not win the 2010 Tour |
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