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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-05-2012 20:50
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I agree the last stages where the best, but come on, what about the stage with Rabotinni? Am I the only one who was extremely nervous when Rodriguez was nearing, and extremely happy when Rabotinni took the victory, which he deserved so much! |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 27-05-2012 20:57
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kumazan wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Katusha wrote:
In all grand tours winner best time trialists unfortunately 
That's because all the climbing "specialists" attack only in the last 2 kilometers and they don't win enough time on guys that are clearly better in TT.
What TT specialists anyway?
Giro:
2009-> Menchov OK
2010-> Basso, not exactly a TTist, huh?
2011-> Scarponit, again, not the best against the clock
2012-> Hesjedal, bit better than Basso and Scarponi, but not a super TTist either
Tour:
2009-> Contador OK, but he's Contador, he dominated the mountains too
2010-> Schleck, super TTist, eh?
2011-> Evans, OK
Vuelta:
2009-> Valverde, a sprinter 
2010-> Nibbles, not a super TTist either
2011-> Cobo, won it on the Angliru, beating the TTer Froome
So, out of the last 10 GTs, you have 2 of them (3 with AC 2009) won by the stronger TTists. Such a domination, eh?
Well I guess we both had in mind today's finish more than the other GTs. And also the fact that Schleck doesn't stand a chance at winning Le Tour because of his TT "skills". 2010 doesn't count.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-05-2012 21:11
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Boring Giro..hugh step back.
They made a fans also wait mountains..main Giro fun over 2 weeks. When mountains came..fans already did not have any exitment left to enjoy them.
Angelo Zomegan was mad..but new guy is total wuss
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| Deda |
Posted on 27-05-2012 21:21
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I think this Giro was very fun to watch 
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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| dienblad |
Posted on 27-05-2012 21:31
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1. In the first 4 stages one tough mountain stage, but with the finish after a descend.
2. Strade Bianche
3. Two TT's, one short ITT after 5-7 stages, and one longer ITT (50km) after 1-17 stages.
4. Like the idea of a mountain TTT!
5. The queen's stage between stage 12-17.
6. A stage were echelons can be formed in the last 4 stages.
7. One dreadful mtf like Zoncolan, Mortorolo, Krohnplatz.
8. Tell the worlds best GT-riders (Evans, Schleck, Contador) that they have to race the Giro and fight for the GC, else they'll fins a horse head in their bed!
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| thobe96 |
Posted on 27-05-2012 21:43
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This Giro was quite boring to watch because all of the favorites waited till the last weekend. And when that weekend was there they couldn't realy get away from each other... |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 27-05-2012 21:46
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My moment of the Giro was clearly seeing Thomas De Gendt win on the Stelvio.
We must not forget it was his first ever Giro and his second GT! 
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 27-05-2012 22:57
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For me personally the 3rd week was by far the best of the whole race
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-05-2012 00:44
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Strafe Bianchi every year, without a doubt. It forces gaps and encourages the GC riders who are good in the classics to make up more time. That and another ITT before the mountains, around 40km would be enough.
But yeah this was disappointing for what should be the best GT.
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 28-05-2012 00:52
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kumazan wrote:
Giro:
2009-> Menchov OK
2010-> Basso, not exactly a TTist, huh?
2011-> Scarponit, again, not the best against the clock
2012-> Hesjedal, bit better than Basso and Scarponi, but not a super TTist either
Tour:
2009-> Contador OK, but he's Contador, he dominated the mountains too
2010-> Schleck, super TTist, eh?
2011-> Evans, OK
Vuelta:
2009-> Valverde, a sprinter
2010-> Nibbles, not a super TTist either
2011-> Cobo, won it on the Angliru, beating the TTer Froome
So, out of the last 10 GTs, you have 2 of them (3 with AC 2009) won by the stronger TTists. Such a domination, eh?
Evans an okay TTer, finishing 7secs behind Martin in the penultimate stage, while fighting for GC contention
if that doesn't constitute a good TTer, then what does?
for a GC rider, Evans has arguably the best TT (alongside Wiggins, but i'm still not convinced about him ,we'll see this TDF) |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-05-2012 01:00
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He said OK to mean that he agrees with the point that he is a good time trialist.
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 28-05-2012 01:01
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dienblad wrote:
1. In the first 4 stages one tough mountain stage, but with the finish after a descend.
2. Strade Bianche
3. Two TT's, one short ITT after 5-7 stages, and one longer ITT (50km) after 1-17 stages.
4. Like the idea of a mountain TTT!
5. The queen's stage between stage 12-17.
6. A stage were echelons can be formed in the last 4 stages.
7. One dreadful mtf like Zoncolan, Mortorolo, Krohnplatz.
8. Tell the worlds best GT-riders (Evans, Schleck, Contador) that they have to race the Giro and fight for the GC, else they'll fins a horse head in their bed!
This would be a near perfect Giro. Maybe without 8, but I really like this.
I don't like 8, because then the Tour would be shit.
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| The-Pot |
Posted on 28-05-2012 01:18
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I think it would benefit the spectacle if they did two long TT, one in 2nd week and the other on the 3rd, both followed by 1 or 2 high mountain stages. This would mean people losing time on TT and trying to recover on the mountains. It would also mean nobody will be waiting for the last 3 stages to do something. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2012 06:34
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kumazan wrote:
The Giro was crap. The worst I remember.
It needed a +50km ITT, either instead of the TTT or instead one of the flat stages in the first week.
The route, in general, was too backended, there should have been 1/2 high mountain stages before.
The final ITT should have been before the Dolomites (although I do understand why do they put it the last, even if a blind monkey can see it is detrimental for good racing) and longer.
I can second that, exactly what i think. The race concentrated to the third week and even there nothing happened apart from higlights from Kreuz and De Gendt. If the riders are not able/not want bigger margins between them, just force them to do it with ITT,mountains early are not helping either, everybody is waiting and 20-30 riders finishes together.
I am watching live cycling since 90's and this Giro was probably the worse and most boring GT i have ever seen, i was pissed more only with Pereiro year maybe. 
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