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cactus-jack
Does anyone else feel like they have this one rider who is "stalking" you? One guy who showes up in nearly every race you participate in?

For me it's Valverde. He was a constant pain in the ass in all the hilly classics during the spring and he even had the nerve to show his face in the Giro. We get to Dauphine and guess who's on the starting line up?
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cactus-jack wrote:
Does anyone else feel like they have this one rider who is "stalking" you? One guy who showes up in nearly every race you participate in?

For me it's Valverde. He was a constant pain in the ass in all the hilly classics during the spring and he even had the nerve to show his face in the Giro. We get to Dauphine and guess who's on the starting line up?


I do, in a career with a small custom team Bert De Waele was in almost every single race we were in. He won a few of them too.
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ruben
Conti teams..

First season usually Garzelli and de Waele annoy you in hilly races. And otherwise in some DB's the Coldeportes team with all their climbers destroying the race.

I remember in the past there were more notorious conti riders. The Rabo CT's with Boom and Gesink in 2007
The Hagen-one-man team of Bianchi
And who remembers Hushovd at Credit Agricole in conti division winning 32 races etc
 
Teddy The Creator
Bloody Luca Paolini won about every classic in one of my careers. Strade Bianche, Omloop Het, KBK, De Ronde, Schledeprjis and about 5 more Italian races.
 
cactus-jack
This game is sooo fun... I am in Dauphine Libere and in 5th place before the final stage. I try for a desperate solo break and manage to gain enough time on everyone else to win the race.

But what happens before everyone has been able to reach the finish? The game crashes... Nothing to do now except giving all the other GC-contenders an injury and replay the stage.

Edit: Thankfully it worked out by simulating it.
Edited by cactus-jack on 02-08-2012 08:33
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marble
ruben wrote:
The cyanide PCM 2012 youngrider carac files work well with PCM 11 as well. I'm in my 4th season with Saxo Bank ('11 DB) and I found my most brutal talent ever...


What are the main differences between the PCM 11 youngrider carac and PCM 12? And which is more "realistic" in your opinion?

On topic: I was playing the 2014 Giro on extreme and during one of the early mountain stages with a downhill finish I decided to see if one of the younger guys could grab a stage win. Talansky attacked alone, nobody followed and he had to ride pretty much the entire stage all alone. However with one of the smaller teams having the overall lead after a breakaway a few days earlier it seemed like nobody had the motivation to catch him, and sure enough Talansky won the stage with a 20 minute lead on the peloton.

The route was one of the easier ones aswell with only a MTT, Zoncolan stage and Tre Cime di Lavaredo as the real mountain stages, along with a hilly stage and a time trial. It wasn't hard enough and Talansky won the Giro by a solid margin. Has to be pretty annoying for Nibali now as he was over 4 minutes infront of third place by the end. But yeah, it doesn't end there. In the pink jersey Talansky won another stage infront of Nibali showing that he didn't need a breakaway to take a stage win.

Sad part now is that his status is now a "Star" and I'm not sure if I can afford it if he asks for a higher wage in the future. As he's capped out on 78 MO and 75 TT, and I don't see him winning another GT. Probably one of my most memorable PCM wins ever though. The only thing I could see beating it is maybe when I in a similar way won the Vuelta in PCM 06. Attacking with a 20 year old on the last mountain stage where he ended up advancing from 17th to 1st through a breakaway. Gotta love this game Smile
 
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I posted here couple of weeks ago (look at page 11) about my 2015 season which was quite successful. now IĀ“ve played the 2016 season, no major changes in my team except Kump being my best cobbled rider instead of Boonen. And this was my last season at hard ever.

I came 1st in:
Giro della calabria
Tour of Oman
Volta ao Algarve
Kuurne Br. Kuurne
Tirreno-Adriatio
Paris Roubaix
Tour de Romandie
Giro di Italia (as well as points and mountain rankings)
Dauphine libere
Tourd e helvetie
Tour de france
Eneco Tour
Vuelta a Espana (where my teammate Tony Martin finished 2nd)
Vattenfall cyclassics
WC ITT
Tour of Beijing
Giro di Lombardia

2nd in:
Tour down Under
Paris NIce
Milan san Remo
Ghent Wevelgem
Tour of Flanders
Tour of Basque Country

I promise you, next season IĀ“ll play on extreme. I think I won 12 or thirteen stages in the vuelta espana. It isnĀ“t fun when you win all the time. I got 3.1 million euros in price money
 
tyriion
Just won MSR for the very first time ever. Never won it in PCM 10 and up till now it eluded me in PCM 11 as well (damn you Gilbert and Pozzato). But now Sagan has set things right and I have finally won every monument on the calendar.
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cactus-jack
I'm finally done planning the season for my insane "climber team"... before I realize Quintana isn't listed with a single race day...

For the love of God, my team is simply too good! I end up using riders with 78 in MO as nothing more but "filling" in races where I haven't got eonugh riders allready.

Edit: The planning is finally over and it was a hell of a puzzle. Only thing that remains now is to find a new co-sponsor since Litex is withdrawing. My main sponsor is Auchan so I was hoping for a co-sponsor of international reknown, but no luck... Litex' budget was only 720.000 so hopefully it won't be to hard finding someone with a bit more money, even though I have to search at a national level.
Edited by cactus-jack on 31-08-2012 23:49
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cactus-jack
I am going to annoy you a little bit more with my career Wink

I'm 2015 in Paris-Nice with Sagan as my leader. I won it with him in 2013 and got a 3rd in 2014. That year it was decided on bonus seconds and the final result was:

1. Monfort
2. L. L. Sanchez +2
3. Sagan +4

It was the same thing this season, bonus seconds was the only deciding factor. Before the final stage L. L. Sanchez was ahead of Valverde (+3sec) and Sagan was in 3rd (+6sec). During the stage there where 2 intermediat sprints with 3, 2 and 1 seconds. I put up a high pace form the start and kept the peloton together. Sagan crossed the line first and was now in 2nd, equaled time with Valverde.

The 2nd sprint however was about 70km away and we had to cross 2 climbs. Everytime someone attacked I sent 4 riders up to relay them in and it worked. After putting a high pace for the whole climb I went for it with Sagan. Again he crossed first and was now on equal time with Sanchez.

About 20km before the finish the entire top 10 started attacking. I was (kinda) desperate and decided to only follow Sanchez or Valverde when they attacked. With 7km to go Valverde had 30sec on a small group consisting of Sagan, Sanchez aswell as a couple more. With 2.5km left he still had a small lead so I couldn't wait any longer. I startet the sprint and rushed past everyone. With a few hundred metres to go he didn't have anything more to go with, but I had to get the bonus seconds and finish ahead of Sanchez.

In the end Sagan beat Valverde on the line with 2 bike lenghts! For the 2nd year in a row P-N wasn't decided untill the very last stage due to bonus seconds!
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tyriion
Racing the Grio in my 2nd season with Liquigas, now Liquigas-Wikipedia. This was one of the nicest experiences ever in PCM.

Waking up to stage 5 after 2 nice wins by my sprinters (Viviani, Guardini and Oss) beating the not-so-tough sprinting competition, it was time for hilly work. Some strada bianche and a howling wind of 71. I set my 3 sprinters at high effort up front and kept this up with climbers on the climbs.

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About 80 km out this left a group of 17 riders, with Nibali, Agnolli and Caruso for my team and the other contenders. Nibali accelerates and gains 1,5 mins over the top of the first mountain prize. In the descent he builds this to almost 4 mins over 12 chasers. This group doesn't cooperate and so he's eventually chased by riders on their own. Purito came closest of those, but still finished almost 2 minutes down.

First time a plan has ever worked so well, circumstances and daily form conspired to make a great win possible.

Spoiler
1Vincenzo NibaliLiquigas - Wikipedia4h23'06
2JoaquĆ­m RodrĆ­guezRabobank Cycling Team+ 2'27
3Chris FroomeSky Procycling+ 3'56
4Michele ScarponiRadioShack - Nissan+ 6'09
5Robert KiserlovskiAstana Pro Team+ 6'42
6Ivan BassoMovistar Teams.t.
7Ion IzagirreEuskaltel - Euskadi+ 7'44
8Bradley WigginsKatusha Teams.t.
9Valerio AgnoliLiquigas - Wikipedia+ 8'37
10Miguel RubianoAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 8'55
11Marco PinottiBMC Racing Teams.t.
12Rein TaaramƤeLampre - ISDs.t.
13Dario CataldoOmega Pharma - QuickĀ·Step Cycling Teams.t.
14Carlos BarredoRabobank Cycling Team+ 10'52
15Kevin De WeertOmega Pharma - QuickĀ·Step Cycling Teams.t.
16Matteo CarraraVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 11'03
17Damiano CarusoLiquigas - Wikipedias.t.
18Domenico PozzovivoColnago - CSF Inox+ 11'16
19Enrico BattaglinColnago - CSF Inox+ 12'09
20Daniel MorenoKatusha Teams.t.

Edited by tyriion on 04-09-2012 20:52
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cactus-jack
I need some suggestions. This is one of my scouted riders from when I started this career. Since his TT is all maxed out, what do you think I should train him as now?
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tyriion
Fighter training to up his flat and stamina. Will give other stats a slight boost as well. Really the best training for young riders if you ask me.
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ShortsNL
I would personally train Classics. Fighter does good for the flat and accelleration stat but for every other stat group the results are a bit 'meh'.

I'd say Classics because according to the stats chart it trains 3 points in stamina as well as 2 points in flat. Your rider could also use the extra cobbles points.

Alternatively, you can train as Climber to get around 70 MO, which would make him more useful in stage races with a TTT like the Giro.
 
marble
Am I the only one experiencing weird Giro results? One year after winning it with a breakaway (on extreme), I gain back a 4 minute deficit on stage 20 to Quintana who had been pretty much untouchable the entire Giro. He cracked and lost over 5 minutes ending in 5th. Before the final TT I had 4 seconds to Duarte (my rider being Henao). Ended up winning the Giro by 1 second, and to top it off Chavez was third stapling the podium with Colombian riders. Another interesting fact was that neither of the ones on the podium had a single stage win. Nibali grabbed 4th and Quintana got 5th with 3 stage wins, to complete the columbian dominance. If I'm not totally wrong there were 8 columbian riders in the top 15.

I don't even know what to think, I care more about realism than actually winning races and this seems a bit odd to me. Thus I can't really celebrate the win. Every favorite seemed to fail in one way or another (including my own team captain who crashed downhill and lost too much time, although his capabilities proved useful when I decided to ride for Henao instead). Hopefully the italians will pick up a win again soon with one of their upcoming riders (Ulissi, Aru or Cattaneo maybe?). Caruso also had a decent Giro finishing 7th, hopefully the route next season won't have as many third week mountain stages as they always seem to create the strangest results.
 
cactus-jack
You wanna talk about fails in the Giro? I am always struggling in every race other then the Giro and Vuelta. In the 2015-Giro I won with 22 minutes down to 2nd, 37 minutes down to 3rd., etc.

9th place was 59 minutes behind. I get realistic results in ever race, P-N, T-A, even the Tour, but ever single Giro and Vuelta ends with insane time differences.
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tyriion
Somehow it seems the AI can't really figure out which riders to send there. Playing with Liquigas I usually send a strong leader there, hopefully I will be able to win it for the 3rd time in a row with Nibali. Started out well, 2nd stage in the Netherlands with strong winds and only 23 riders finished in the first peloton. Only Anton and Henao were able to keep up with Nibali and some sprinters.

AI doesn't prioritize Giro and Vuelta enough, so you will never get strong opposition there. I've completely failed in the Tour however.
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marble
cactus-jack wrote:
You wanna talk about fails in the Giro? I am always struggling in every race other then the Giro and Vuelta. In the 2015-Giro I won with 22 minutes down to 2nd, 37 minutes down to 3rd., etc.

9th place was 59 minutes behind. I get realistic results in ever race, P-N, T-A, even the Tour, but ever single Giro and Vuelta ends with insane time differences.


On extreme? That sounds extreme. I'm trying to get semi-realistic results though, and I'm not exactly complaining about failing (I did win in the end), just about how unpredictable the race is and that certain weird things happen from time to time. I know how to explode the peloton and all that good stuff on certain mountain stages, but I never do that cause it creates the most insane time gaps in the GC that often ruins the excitement for me. It was also my 2015 Giro that I explained in the previous post. 2012 and 2013 seemed perfectly normal, 2014 Giro was a little weirder (other than my breakaway win it wasn't THAT strange). 2015 seems normal, but the way it all happened wasn't really that normal:

1. Sergio Henao
2. Fabio Duarte +1
3. Esteban Chavez +23
4. Vinceno Nibali +59
5. Nairo Quintana +1'45
6. Diego Ulissi +3'09
7. Damiano Caruso +3'15
8. Jurgen Van den Broeck +3'43
9. Robert Gesink +5'26
10. Matthias Frank +12'58

Other than Frank in 10th all those riders are fairly good climbers in my career. Frank has 76 MO. In general the top 10 itself isn't all that weird, the time gaps not so much either. Just the way it all happened. Hesjedal was Movistar's main guy and along with Nibali, Gesink and Van den Broeck probably the favorites to win the race (the starting field was pretty good in other words). But no, Hesjedal decides to work for Quintana, Quintana dominates the mountain stages distancing everyone on all of them and then totally cracks on the last one losing over 5 minutes. Also Nibali had a terrible start and was 4 minutes behind pretty early on, and wasn't even top 15 for a while. After Zoncolan he was 5 minutes behind (2010 Giro route). But the last few mountain stages he along with Van den Broeck and Gesink who had lost even more in the beginning started doing fairly decent.

I just thought it was absurd that Columbia got 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 12th, 22nd and 23rd (Soler, Anacona and Rubiano though were ranked much higher for a while, thus my assumption of so many columbians up high in the GC). Is there a reason why columbians target the Giro? Duarte in second only has 79 MO. 27 riders in my save has 80 or more, so there's no way any of the actual favorites were peaking for the Giro at all.


This post is starting to get lengthy, but I just wanted to comment on the Vuelta issue aswell while we're at it. Cause the Vuelta is as always one of the easiest WT races to win. To me it's either one rider dominating it or a really weak field with 75 and 76 MOs sometimes even podiuming. There's only once in my PCM playing career that I've seen a strong field in the Vuelta. That was in PCM 2010, where I won easily every year (some intense duels with Contador, but other than him the rest were miles behind) except one when the entire elite was there pushing my regen (81 MO, 83 TT who peaked for the Vuelta) down to 7th. My 2013 Vuelta in PCM 2011 however had Zaugg with 75 MO in 5th, and L.L. Sanchez with 77 MO in second only beaten by me. 2014 Andy Schleck dominated and won by 10 minutes and the next 6 spots looked fairly reasonable statswise, but after that there are certain riders with 75 MO doing surprisingly well with alot of stronger names failing to get up there. That does sound alot like the actual Vuelta to me. The only problem is actually playing it, cause it seems like everyone is so much weaker then you are, I've managed to get riders with 73 MO finishing as high as 13th overall while helping my other riders to do well, but in the end I'm quite satisfied with the GC list which really is all I ask for. I think they've come along way from when I first started back in 2006. But I wish they would get the peaking and fatigue stuff right for some tougher competition and the best riders in top condition for the races they're racing.
 
greatmikey
when i use michael rogers in mountain stages he cant keep up with uran porte wiggins froome does anyone know why or how i can get rid of him when hes still under contract
 
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greatmikey wrote:
when i use michael rogers in mountain stages he cant keep up with uran porte wiggins froome does anyone know why or how i can get rid of him when hes still under contract


1. Fire him (but this can be expensive)
2. Use the editor to fire him / gt him out of the team.
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