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| andy222c |
Posted on 31-08-2011 18:51
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ruben wrote:
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Yup. Thats still possible.
Btw Kruijswijk really disappointing imo.
Kruijswijk went into the attacks as buffer for Mollema, he is sacrifising his own GC now completely.
Which is logical.
He attacked/counter attacked 4/5 times. With this wind you are going to pay for that
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 31-08-2011 18:52
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Must say I was really disappointed at Duarte today. He had a great chance to win a stage here, but he couldn't even stay clear of the peloton.
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 31-08-2011 19:35
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I thought that the groups arriving together at the tour were big, but this is something else. OK, not the hardest climb of the Vuelta, but I'd expect a bit less than 13 favourites (excluding caught riders from the break) arriving in one group 7 seconds behind Purito. There seem to be around 7 or 8 riders who really are well matched on the climbs. Shame really. Although it will be a close Vuelta, not many are willing to put in big attacks.
We'll probably end up seeing more gaps on the hilly stages toward the back end of this race. Mollema looks like he could be the rider who could spark something, hopefully on the steepr slopes of Farrpona! |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 31-08-2011 20:36
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Must say I was really disappointed at Duarte today. He had a great chance to win a stage here, but he couldn't even stay clear of the peloton.
Same disappointment here, i even put PCMs on him winning the mountain classification
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-08-2011 20:42
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This is the 2009 and 2010 Tours all over again. Everyone finishing together.
Where are all the people who back then were raving about how it was so exciting to have everyone close together on GC?
So far this Vuelta is boring.
Edited by issoisso on 31-08-2011 20:42
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
- Bradley Wiggins a few years ago
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-08-2011 20:49
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issoisso wrote:
This is the 2009 and 2010 Tours all over again. Everyone finishing together.
Where are all the people who back then were raving about how it was so exciting to have everyone close together on GC?
So far this Vuelta is boring.
This is Unipublic's dream scenario though, so from their POV this is, erm, a success.
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| Lucho_Herrera |
Posted on 31-08-2011 20:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Must say I was really disappointed at Duarte today. He had a great chance to win a stage here, but he couldn't even stay clear of the peloton.
Same disappointment here, i even put PCMs on him winning the mountain classification
Maybe he got instructions to let himself fall back to help his captains Menchov & Cobo if needed. If so, it was a stupid decision by the team management ...  |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 31-08-2011 20:53
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So far we've had lots of wind on the big mountain finishes. It's not like nobody had the balls to attack like in the Tour. Today we saw Dan Martin, Kruijswijk, Mollema, Nieve, Moreno and others attack, but they couldn't get away because of the wind and because of Wiggins. On Angliru it will be different.
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| CB |
Posted on 31-08-2011 21:19
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Wiggins can't survive on the sharpest climbs. He will lose time, if the favorits attack all the time. I really don't see or belive in Wiggins as the winner of Vuelta á Espana 2011.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-08-2011 21:46
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Wilier wrote:
So far we've had lots of wind on the big mountain finishes. It's not like nobody had the balls to attack like in the Tour. Today we saw Dan Martin, Kruijswijk, Mollema, Nieve, Moreno and others attack, but they couldn't get away because of the wind and because of Wiggins. On Angliru it will be different.
"We wasted a good chance to get time back, so let's blame the wind"
The wind isn't having a bigger influence than the very slow pace at which they're climbing the mountains. There were about 30 men in the red jersey group with 7 km to go. 30. That's worse than in the Tour.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 31-08-2011 21:51
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Why does Fuglsang have to suck that much?
Dutchies, can we switch with one of your way too many GT talents?
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| owks |
Posted on 31-08-2011 22:06
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kumazan wrote:
Wilier wrote:
So far we've had lots of wind on the big mountain finishes. It's not like nobody had the balls to attack like in the Tour. Today we saw Dan Martin, Kruijswijk, Mollema, Nieve, Moreno and others attack, but they couldn't get away because of the wind and because of Wiggins. On Angliru it will be different.
"We wasted a good chance to get time back, so let's blame the wind"
The wind isn't having a bigger influence than the very slow pace at which they're climbing the mountains. There were about 30 men in the red jersey group with 7 km to go. 30. That's worse than in the Tour.
When every rider have almost the same level , the wind is the only thing we can blame. Even Purito with a super powerfull attack couldn't get more than 10 seconds.
Another question : Why Does everyone think Wiggins will fail on the Angliru ? Is he known for being absolute crap on long steep climb ? Is he worse than Nibali ?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-08-2011 22:20
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owks wrote:
When every rider have almost the same level , the wind is the only thing we can blame. Even Purito with a super powerfull attack couldn't get more than 10 seconds.
Purito only got 8 seconds with a 'super powerful attack' because he attacked with 1 km to go, with the last ~300m being flat. 
owks wrote:
Another question : Why Does everyone think Wiggins will fail on the Angliru ? Is he known for being absolute crap on long steep climb ? Is he worse than Nibali ?
I'm fairly sure he's worse than Nibali. Mainly because Nibali isn't bad in steep climbs. L'Angliru is a pretty inconsistent climb, so while it doesn't really fit Nibali (it's much better for an explosive small climber such as Joaquim) it's certainly worse for a guy like Wiggo.
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| misar82 |
Posted on 31-08-2011 22:43
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kumazan wrote:
owks wrote:
When every rider have almost the same level , the wind is the only thing we can blame. Even Purito with a super powerfull attack couldn't get more than 10 seconds.
Purito only got 8 seconds with a 'super powerful attack' because he attacked with 1 km to go, with the last ~300m being flat.
owks wrote:
Another question : Why Does everyone think Wiggins will fail on the Angliru ? Is he known for being absolute crap on long steep climb ? Is he worse than Nibali ?
I'm fairly sure he's worse than Nibali. Mainly because Nibali isn't bad in steep climbs. L'Angliru is a pretty inconsistent climb, so while it doesn't really fit Nibali (it's much better for an explosive small climber such as Joaquim) it's certainly worse for a guy like Wiggo.
I wouldn´t be so sure. If Wiggins is in good shape he might climb LÁnglirú "a la indurain", with a strong steady pace and save the day
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Posted on 31-08-2011 22:47
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misar82 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
owks wrote:
When every rider have almost the same level , the wind is the only thing we can blame. Even Purito with a super powerfull attack couldn't get more than 10 seconds.
Purito only got 8 seconds with a 'super powerful attack' because he attacked with 1 km to go, with the last ~300m being flat.
owks wrote:
Another question : Why Does everyone think Wiggins will fail on the Angliru ? Is he known for being absolute crap on long steep climb ? Is he worse than Nibali ?
I'm fairly sure he's worse than Nibali. Mainly because Nibali isn't bad in steep climbs. L'Angliru is a pretty inconsistent climb, so while it doesn't really fit Nibali (it's much better for an explosive small climber such as Joaquim) it's certainly worse for a guy like Wiggo.
I wouldn´t be so sure. If Wiggins is in good shape he might climb LÁnglirú "a la indurain", with a strong steady pace and save the day
Im pretty sure that's Wiggins climbing style. But that steady pace can't be too slow as he can't afford to lose too much time. His advantage is not big at all.
Missed the stage today so I'm a little bit happy that there were no gaps between the favorites. The Angliru is definitely going to decide this Vuelta.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-08-2011 23:56
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misar82 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
owks wrote:
When every rider have almost the same level , the wind is the only thing we can blame. Even Purito with a super powerfull attack couldn't get more than 10 seconds.
Purito only got 8 seconds with a 'super powerful attack' because he attacked with 1 km to go, with the last ~300m being flat.
owks wrote:
Another question : Why Does everyone think Wiggins will fail on the Angliru ? Is he known for being absolute crap on long steep climb ? Is he worse than Nibali ?
I'm fairly sure he's worse than Nibali. Mainly because Nibali isn't bad in steep climbs. L'Angliru is a pretty inconsistent climb, so while it doesn't really fit Nibali (it's much better for an explosive small climber such as Joaquim) it's certainly worse for a guy like Wiggo.
I wouldn´t be so sure. If Wiggins is in good shape he might climb LÁnglirú "a la indurain", with a strong steady pace and save the day
There are two problems with that, though. First is that L'Angliru is a climb which favors explosive climbers over tempo climbers, so with Antón totally unfit Purito is the favourite. While Wiggins may very well limit his losses so he's still above Joaquim in the GC after L'Angliru, Nibali is only 11'' below, and while Nibbles is also a guy who prefers a steady pace when climbing, he's shown he's quite more explosive than Wiggins, plus he's proven in steep stuff (and he doesn't do bad), while gravity says a heavier guy like Wiggins will have a hard time there.
The second problem is that Wiggins is FAR from being half as good as Indurain. So with the huge gaps that L'Angliru has always opened (although it was always raced hard, while we're still waiting for a mountain stage to be really raced hard this year), can't see him keeping red, if he hasn't lost it in the Farrapona.
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Posted on 01-09-2011 06:30
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I can't see why some people are complaining about boring racing and riders not attacking enough. The two climbs we had so far were totally windy, and you saw what happened to Scarponi when he went early. He got dropped. The others have seen that as well, so why would they toss away their chances when there are other climbs still coming where the risk of getting caught is way less and where there is more to be gained. Guys like Mollema, van den Broeck and Nibali know they will probably climb better then Wiggins, Froome and Fuglsang can test it a bit like yesterday and then settle for seeing some minors drop. Their day will come. Guys like Rodriguez and Scarponi are just too far away to be a real threat for the overall win.
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Posted on 01-09-2011 06:38
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tyriion wrote:
I can't see why some people are complaining about boring racing and riders not attacking enough. The two climbs we had so far were totally windy, and you saw what happened to Scarponi when he went early. He got dropped. The others have seen that as well, so why would they toss away their chances when there are other climbs still coming where the risk of getting caught is way less and where there is more to be gained. Guys like Mollema, van den Broeck and Nibali know they will probably climb better then Wiggins, Froome and Fuglsang can test it a bit like yesterday and then settle for seeing some minors drop. Their day will come. Guys like Rodriguez and Scarponi are just too far away to be a real threat for the overall win.
I don't agree to that. He's still in the game, especially because of the Angliru, where he'll ride much better than Wiggins. The favourite in my eyes is Nibali. He won't lose as much as Wiggins on the Angliru.
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Posted on 01-09-2011 06:41
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
tyriion wrote:
I can't see why some people are complaining about boring racing and riders not attacking enough. The two climbs we had so far were totally windy, and you saw what happened to Scarponi when he went early. He got dropped. The others have seen that as well, so why would they toss away their chances when there are other climbs still coming where the risk of getting caught is way less and where there is more to be gained. Guys like Mollema, van den Broeck and Nibali know they will probably climb better then Wiggins, Froome and Fuglsang can test it a bit like yesterday and then settle for seeing some minors drop. Their day will come. Guys like Rodriguez and Scarponi are just too far away to be a real threat for the overall win.
I don't agree to that. He's still in the game, especially because of the Angliru, where he'll ride much better than Wiggins. The favourite in my eyes is Nibali. He won't lose as much as Wiggins on the Angliru.
And that's why Rodriguez won't win the Vuelta. He might take a lot on Angliru, but I don't see him take back over 2,5 minutes on Nibali. He can't win it anymore and that's the only thing I said.
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I didn't even realize that Sastre was in the Vuelta untill I looked through the whole classification. I could say the same for Menchov.
Geox have managed to get two of the most lackluster GC-riders there are, it seems. Both will be dropped on a speedbump. |
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