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Tour de France '10 Stage 15 Pamiers - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| diouf |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:44
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Does anybody have a video showing what happens from a minute before the incident. Because on the danish video, you can see Contador only in a splitsecond, when Schleck attacked. Looked like he was talking in the microphone or being a bit out of control. Actually hard to see, what's happening. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:44
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It's funny how these things often turn into a discussion about what would have happened.
Fact is that we don't know and that we never will (making your discussion pretty useless). Personally, that's what I'm most annoyed by.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:49
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Schleck does look pretty pissed off in this interview.
http://www.sporza...1/1.829121 |
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| Concuze |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:50
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There is no doubt that Schleck had a gap to Contador. But saying that Contador would catch up with him anyway can never be verified. I personally think that Vino looked like he had big troubles catching up to Schleck. Another thing to consider is the way of Schleck's style. He normally increase his speed during his acceleration. It was a important moment in the battle of the tour. Who would have won it fairly, we will never know.
But if you see the replay. Contador rides around Schleck after the chain drops. He knew, Schleck had problems with the bike.
I think it is sad that Contador gained the jersey this way. |
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| coenos1 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:59
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Contador is a peep...... I think you have to ride on but you don't have to attack and Schleck is much stronger this tour
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| rugbyn00b_69 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:00
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one word for all this: C*ntador (Note: imagination needed  ) |
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| pesci |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:04
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Here can everyone watch!!
http://www.youtub...cN2HrkrnF4
Dificult to know if it is right.... impossible to know what would happened... |
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| Deda |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:22
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How come nobody considers Menchov and Sanchez "guilty" for not waiting for yellow too? I mean, if Contador were the only one to attack, and then saw that the rest of the favorites were playing it "fair", then and only then could he have been considered a douchebag of the day.
It's very hard to be a gentleman 15km from the finish.
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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| H Tong Long |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:35
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Le Tour is NOT a randonee. Where one waits for one's mates/companions. It is professional sport at its hardest. If an individual doesn'r have ALL of the skills necessary, then they are going to win less.
Otherwise. If one forgives Schleck's mechanical ineptitude. Then by rights, Schleck, Contador et al should wait for a yellow-jerseyed Cancellara whenever the going gets steep!
In his day, Bjarne Riis would have done what Contador did today. |
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| HansiBoyo |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:43
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H Tong Long wrote:
Le Tour is NOT a randonee. Where one waits for one's mates/companions. It is professional sport at its hardest. If an individual doesn'r have ALL of the skills necessary, then they are going to win less.
Otherwise. If one forgives Schleck's mechanical ineptitude. Then by rights, Schleck, Contador et al should wait for a yellow-jerseyed Cancellara whenever the going gets steep!
In his day, Bjarne Riis would have done what Contador did today.
You are completely right...Riis would have done the same thing, and today in interviews, he also told that it was just a shame what happened. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 19-07-2010 19:53
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Seeing this now, its clear contador has started a attack before Schleck loses his chain, and when Menchov and Sanchez also attacks he has no other choice than to continue his attack |
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| spudde |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:03
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And also, the reason Schleck actually got a gap seemed to be that Contador was way back for some reason. In the videos posted you can see him accelerating past almost the entire group when he saw Schleck go, it wasn't like he just dropped Contador immediately. But of course, a gap is a gap and who knows if Contador would have been able to catch up, imo he came quite fast so he could have taken it quite quickly back.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:04
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Andy Schleck himself was back there with Contador 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:08
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For the benefit of those who don't speak spanish, Contador says when he found out Schleck had a mechanical, he was already a long way up the road.
On one hand Contador shouldn't have done that.
On the other hand, he's been in Schleck's place in the past and no one waited.
On the other hand, if even Vino had gone with the acceleration, then it's very likely everyone else in the group could have gone. The only one who had a reason to was Contador, and he had was way behind in the group.
On the other hand, he had time to see Schleck was in trouble.
On the other hand, as Hinault, Merckx and Zoetemelk all said at one time or another (along with Pierre Chany, Owen Mulholland and so many of the great cycling writers), the tour winner is the rider with the best combination of ability, form, health and thus whoever wins is the rightful winner.
On the other hand, I'm shiva with a headache at this point.
EDIT: Mike, you really really have to get the damned bug with quoting a post that ends in a URL fixed
Edited by issoisso on 19-07-2010 20:09
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
- Bradley Wiggins a few years ago
"It's the Time Trial. The race against the truth!" - Phil Liggett, 2003 Vuelta |
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| Roo |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:16
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Goldberger wrote:
Seeing this now, its clear contador has started a attack before Schleck loses his chain
Of course, he was trying to catch up. The problem is, he continues his attack after having seen Andy's mechanical. And regardless of what he says, there's no way he didn't see it
Goldberger wrote:
and when Menchov and Sanchez also attacks he has no other choice than to continue his attack
It's not like they tried to go past him until longer up the climb. They had no choice but to counter his attack, but had he sad down and waited, they'd probably done so too. He does have some authority.
I think he was encouraged to attack by Astana, and just went with it, but I don't like the move. Riders usually respect the yellow jersey (regardless of whether it's Andy or anyone else in it) enough to not attack it, when there's a mechanical and or crash. I wouldn't want to win that way, and Contador would've probably won anyway |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:20
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My thoughts are that Contador was wrong for attacking but I can't blame him for attacking. Yes, you don't attack the yellow jersey when he has a mechanical. I think this and other "unwritten' rules are different to the incidents in Spa and the Cobbles. First, the Yellow jersey was actually leading or attacking the GC leaders. Second a mechanical is different than a mass crash. Third, the unwritten rules are different for the Cobbles than they are for the mountains.
Should Contador have attacked? I can't say yes or no. I would like to think that I would not have. It is in the heat of battle and they were nearing the top of the Col. There is a certain Fog of War and chaos at that moment.
If Contador wanted to limit the blame then he should never had taken a turn at the front of his group. That way he would not have taken advantage of the situation nor would he have suffered from it. But it appeared that he was taking serious turns at the front and he was pushing the advantage.
I am not surprised by his actions. His actions are one thing that we can judge him for. He is not a good teammate. He is not a fair competitor and people will have some mixed feelings about him wearing yellow tomorrow.
The stupid thing is that he did not need to do it. He is going to beat Andy by 2 minutes in the TT. If he was such a great champion then he would see that. Also, if he wanted to wait he could have gotten Sanchez and Menchov to wait. Cancellara got an enitre peloton to wait. If Contador was a patron then he could manage stopping two guys.
P.S. Andy really could have used Frank today.
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| Petterla |
Posted on 19-07-2010 20:46
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Deda wrote:
How come nobody considers Menchov and Sanchez "guilty" for not waiting for yellow too? I mean, if Contador were the only one to attack, and then saw that the rest of the favorites were playing it "fair", then and only then could he have been considered a douchebag of the day.
It's very hard to be a gentleman 15km from the finish.
The way Schleck and Contador rode yesterday, which clearly implied "we do not consider you opponents at all" really didn't give them any reason not to go. Why should they, and why should anyone actually say anything about it? Schleck and Contador don't rate them as good enough, so from them this wasn't an attack on the yellow, but more an attack on Van Den Broeck, Leipheimer and Gesink. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2010 21:11
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What? Nobody's angry anymore? Let me try to light up the discussion again 
Menchov, says none of them could see Schleck had a mechanical because Vino was in the way.
"Hopefully in 2 years time I might win the Time Trial and be a credible Time Trial winner because I haven't beaten someone by 2 minutes."
- Bradley Wiggins a few years ago
"It's the Time Trial. The race against the truth!" - Phil Liggett, 2003 Vuelta |
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| bfreire |
Posted on 19-07-2010 21:12
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issoisso wrote:
*long story*
EDIT: Mike, you really really have to get the damned bug with quoting a post that ends in a URL fixed
Isso, U are a freak? So many hands
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2010 21:17
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issoisso wrote:
What? Nobody's angry anymore? Let me try to light up the discussion again
Menchov, says none of them could see Schleck had a mechanical because Vino was in the way.
I spent a few hours reading the Tour 2007 thread. What happened back then was a lot more disappointing than today's events, so ... to me, this discussion is over
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