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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-08-2012 10:06
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Aquarius wrote:
It's not about knowing them or not, it's about stopping your effort, or producing it at the right moment, with the smallest possible margin. When margins are too short, sometimes you fail.
Btw, how about the British males team sprint, whose starter purposely fell in the qualifications to be given another chance after he'd screw his own start ?
This should be handled by the same rules as the badminton affair.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 03-08-2012 10:08
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
It's not about knowing them or not, it's about stopping your effort, or producing it at the right moment, with the smallest possible margin. When margins are too short, sometimes you fail.
Btw, how about the British males team sprint, whose starter purposely fell in the qualifications to be given another chance after he'd screw his own start ?
This should be handled by the same rules as the badminton affair.
That was trying to lose though, Hindes was trying to win.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-08-2012 10:11
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jph27 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
It's not about knowing them or not, it's about stopping your effort, or producing it at the right moment, with the smallest possible margin. When margins are too short, sometimes you fail.
Btw, how about the British males team sprint, whose starter purposely fell in the qualifications to be given another chance after he'd screw his own start ?
This should be handled by the same rules as the badminton affair.
That was trying to lose though, Hindes was trying to win.
Lol, you think chinese wanted to loose the tournament? No, only the game to get better position later, same with the british sprinters, they crashed deliberetely to have the second chance. I am not saying one or another should be expelled from the games, but you have to handle everybody the same and it is the same "breaking of the Olympics spirit".
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 03-08-2012 10:40
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
It's not about knowing them or not, it's about stopping your effort, or producing it at the right moment, with the smallest possible margin. When margins are too short, sometimes you fail.
Btw, how about the British males team sprint, whose starter purposely fell in the qualifications to be given another chance after he'd screw his own start ?
This should be handled by the same rules as the badminton affair.
That was trying to lose though, Hindes was trying to win.
Lol, you think chinese wanted to loose the tournament? No, only the game to get better position later, same with the british sprinters, they crashed deliberetely to have the second chance. I am not saying one or another should be expelled from the games, but you have to handle everybody the same and it is the same "breaking of the Olympics spirit".
Actually it's just the same as the Badminton as Avin said. In my opinion they should be disqualified. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:01
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Montolivo wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
It's not about knowing them or not, it's about stopping your effort, or producing it at the right moment, with the smallest possible margin. When margins are too short, sometimes you fail.
Btw, how about the British males team sprint, whose starter purposely fell in the qualifications to be given another chance after he'd screw his own start ?
This should be handled by the same rules as the badminton affair.
That was trying to lose though, Hindes was trying to win.
Lol, you think chinese wanted to loose the tournament? No, only the game to get better position later, same with the british sprinters, they crashed deliberetely to have the second chance. I am not saying one or another should be expelled from the games, but you have to handle everybody the same and it is the same "breaking of the Olympics spirit".
Actually it's just the same as the Badminton as Avin said. In my opinion they should be disqualified.
While it is hardly good that he crashed on purpose, it happened move on.
The GB team were clearly the fastest there so they should win the Gold.
It was bad sportsmanship in a way but thats life.
And its not the same as the badminton. The players there were trying to lose, Hindes was trying to win. Actually its the opposite 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:04
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Similar case to badminton would be things that happen in individual sprints, when some riders purposely lose in the first match to try to win the "second chance match" (or what you call that), and get a supposedly better table afterwards.
I don't think they should take action against Team GB for what Hindes did, but they should definitely change that rule as soon as possible.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:07
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Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
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Posted on 03-08-2012 11:10
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felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
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Posted on 03-08-2012 11:12
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TheManxMissile wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
Surely they deserve the gold medal, but no medal for sportmanship.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:12
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TheManxMissile wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
The point is that it goes against the Olympic spirit. Which is why if it's true, they should be disqualified
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Posted on 03-08-2012 11:20
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Crommy wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
The point is that it goes against the Olympic spirit. Which is why if it's true, they should be disqualified
i agree that they should be sanctioned
disqualified is a bit harsh
and Hindes already admitted he did do it on purpose
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| johannes-w |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:22
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TheManxMissile wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
They were the fastest team and therefore surely desevered it, BUT I don't think its in the badminton rules, that you are not allowed to play the ball into the net (Of course I dont know badminton rules )
As far as I heard they were disqualified because they didn't honor the Olympic spirit and Hindes did just the same. It has nothing to do with the special rules of a specific sport! |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-08-2012 11:24
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TheManxMissile wrote:
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
I don't know much about badminton (well, this isn't a badminton forum, right ?), but does a rule force you to beat your opponent when you're stronger, or forbids you to make technical fouls (purposely) ?
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Crommy wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
Don´t forget that the badminton players only lost to have a worse opponent later. So it´s the same, both tried to get an advantage by failing.
True he gained an advantage
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
Basically its the rules letting it down.
But everyone has to admit the GB deserved the gold, as they were undoubtedly the quickest sprint team.
The point is that it goes against the Olympic spirit. Which is why if it's true, they should be disqualified
i agree that they should be sanctioned
disqualified is a bit harsh
and Hindes already admitted he did do it on purpose
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Posted on 03-08-2012 11:28
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Aquarius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
I don't know much about badminton (well, this isn't a badminton forum, right ?), but does a rule force you to beat your opponent when you're stronger, or forbids you to make technical fouls (purposely) ?
The two badminton rules they infringed on were:
1. "not using one's best efforts to win"
2. "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport"
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Better that he admitted it, worse cause it means he did it on purpose
I thought that you had to play to the best of your ability
Hindes didnt ride slower than his best to get an easier round
He crashed cause he mucked up, while not sporting is not illegal.
Playing to get an easier draw is against some general code.
Im not saying its the right thing, im just saying it happened.
They should be sanctioned, but disqualification is harsh as they broke no actual rules, or code.
Especially as they then set 2 WR
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Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
But the Badminton players broke the rules, Hindes did not.
I don't know much about badminton (well, this isn't a badminton forum, right ?), but does a rule force you to beat your opponent when you're stronger, or forbids you to make technical fouls (purposely) ?
The two badminton rules they infringed on were:
1. "not using one's best efforts to win"
2. "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport"
1. He definatly used his best efforts to win, crashing takes a lot of effort as does a WR
2. he only conducted himself in a detrimental way after the competition (in my opinion)
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
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sutty68 wrote:
This is what got the GB women relegated 
You would have thought that they would know the rules by now 
But that's not even the timing line - I thought the ruling was about moving past Varnish's back wheel before they reached the changeover area... |
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Oh I didn't know this was in the badminton rules - I thought/ heard they were disqualified for disrespecting the olympic spirit. Than these are two different cases, but still not very nice
Setting 2 WR afterwards doesn't change what they did before in my opinion, though |
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
This is what got the GB women relegated
You would have thought that they would know the rules by now
But that's not even the timing line - I thought the ruling was about moving past Varnish's back wheel before they reached the changeover area...
I think it's that the lead-out rider has to do one full lap in front
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