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PCM '09 versus PCM '10
Winterlightfire
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Posted on 02-07-2010 22:38
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I bought PCM 09 a few months ago...enjoyed it but the bugs became a real nuisance...is PCM 10 a better experience or is it just a pretty veneer with the same bugs underneath?
Thinking of buying PCM 10...just looking for some opinions!
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Posted on 02-07-2010 22:44
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PCM 10 is definatly better. Most important is that breakaways will finish successfull. In 09 95% of the race were same, breakaway, catch them, favourites will win. More or less.
That`s changed luckily. Of course the game isn`t bug free yet Grin But it`s already playable. Hopefully the next patch will make this game as much bugfree as possible.
 
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Posted on 02-07-2010 22:53
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Are there any particular bugs that you have i mind?
 
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Posted on 02-07-2010 22:56
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Most annoying bug that you can`t really sprint with a leadout man. Cyanide recognized this bug and fixed it. But the fix is just in the next patch.
 
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Posted on 02-07-2010 23:03
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And bug which I doesn't like too are the classics. Cobbles and Ardennes too. First one ends in the bunch sprint every time, second one ends with the win of the breakaway at least for me.
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Posted on 02-07-2010 23:05
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They need too make cobblestone sections harder on the riders. There is almost no effect on the better riders on the cobbles.
 
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Posted on 03-07-2010 00:31
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CrueTrue wrote:
Are there any particular bugs that you have i mind?


I haven't play anything other than career mode, since installing the last couple of patches, but when the riders enter the 3K to go distance, none of my riders can "sprint follow". Makes a sprint stage impossible to compete at the moment.

Are other folks able to "sprint follow" in career mode?
 
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I was asking whether he was thinking of any PCM09 bugs - not PCM10.
 
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Posted on 03-07-2010 01:17
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StefanG wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Are there any particular bugs that you have i mind?


I haven't play anything other than career mode, since installing the last couple of patches, but when the riders enter the 3K to go distance, none of my riders can "sprint follow". Makes a sprint stage impossible to compete at the moment.

Are other folks able to "sprint follow" in career mode?


Yes, am able to "sprint follow" however I typically set up my own train with my own guys, two guys with good flat stats take turns at 99% effort on the'dot' followed by a leadout sprinter and my real sprinter. Not guaranteed to get results but mroe often than not it gets my sprinter up or above riders of similar sprinting ability to him.

What I like in PCM 10 is that it's not always the same sprinter winning every flat stage and by playing a stage well you can get a less than top sprinter to the podium now and then.
 
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Posted on 04-07-2010 19:38
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Got a few questions regarding Pcm 2010:

How is PCM2010 regarding breakaways in the Grand Tours?. In 09 there imo was a problem with the AI since it was almost the same riders which attacked every single stage. Another problem which I believe was present in 09 was the classic problem with every single favorite basically attacked at the bottom of the last mountain, unless you made them suffer over a longer distance. Is this by any means more realistic in the 2010 version? (Thinking of the classic scenario with the favorites using their teamates before attacking which we see most of the time in the real time races).

And just in general since I believe those who answers have brought the game: How would do you see the 2010 version compared to 09. Are there any major improvements which makes the game less trivial? Wink

Cheers..

 
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Posted on 04-07-2010 19:46
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I believe that this summary by issoisso answers your questions:

issoisso wrote:
OK, so it's been released, so I we can all talk freely about what it is instead of speculating about what it may or may not be Smile

Let's see. What's new? There's a lot of little things, so it's hard to remember them all. Bear with me.

- If you're expecting new features in career mode, go away, there's nothing here for you. This is a local shop for local people.

- The new engine is of course the biggest thing. The graphics didn't seem so amazing to me. Then I went back to PCM09 for a few minutes and HOLY MOTHER OF GOD THE DIFFERENCE IS INSANE. I like the rain/snow popping up occasionaly and semi-randomly. I once had snow ONLY on the Gavia at the Giro, stage 20. That was really nice.

- The new stage editor, I haven't tried it, but clearly it's a lot easier to make more realistic profiles. You'll notice it immediately when you compare stage profiles to the ones of previous years. The profiles have a lot more small rises and little variations, instead of long sections at a constant incline. It's great. It also allows partial circuits, which looks really good and makes things a lot easier for stage makers.

- The crashes caused by memory usage. A lot of improvement has been done here. It's still not perfect, but at least it's better. I can run almost every stage at maximum graphics without having any crashes (Only Volta a Catalunya stage 6 gives me problems). Don't know what it's going to be like when DBs with more equipment are released, though.

- AI is far more realistic. It's the one reason I can't bring myself to play PCM09 for any length of time after PCM2010. No gigantic insane time differences on the cobbles/mountains. Riders tend to bunch up in groups as in real life, as opposed to coming in 1 or 2 at a time for minutes on end.
Breakaways have more freedom when they're not GC dangers, sprint winners are more in tune with who is actually the better sprinter (No more Schlecks beating Valverdes in flat sprints at the end of hard stages). And quite a bit more things. Overall I'm quite pleased with the AI. But then again I'm a stickler for realism, so the AI is the most important thing for me.


- The old "Simulation" option is now called "Quick Simulation". There's also a new "Detailed Simulation" mode where you assign simple orders before the stage and watch it unfold in text commentary. The results are surprisingly realistic. I much prefer them to the results of quick simulation.

- The Team leader is now the last rider on the team to start the prologue.

- New "Achievements" in career mode. If you click one, you get the description and who's achieved it before. An example: let's say you win The Giro, Tour and Worlds with Contador (I know, not going to happen. It's just an example Pfft ). Go to the achievements page, click on the Triple Crown of Cyling achievement and you'll see an explanation of what it is (winning the Giro, Tour and Worlds in the same year) followed by

Eddy Merckx 1974
Stephen Roche 1987
Alberto Contador 2010

- Prologue stat

- A few more news items about how your team/riders are doing in the seasononal rankings

- In stage profiles, you can now click on the major climbs of the stage to see its profile separately, along with data (incline, length)

- Offline "season" mode. It's like "Career Light". If you just want to play a single season without worrying about money, sponsors, rider contracts, etc. Choose the teams, choose the races, change the seasonal rankings' points scheme (if you want to), set if the teams' squads are the real life ones, completely random, or a fantasy draft! Then go race.


- Improved interface. Nothing major, just a new main menu and buttons everywhere that take you to the home page, quite game, etc. Make navigation a little bit easier.

There might be more. I just can't remember anything else right now Pfft

 
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Vest
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Posted on 04-07-2010 19:52
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Ah awesome quote - cheers Cruetrue!
 

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